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    • 09/27/2019 at 10:05 AM #106626
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      PlainsUte
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      See her sponsored twittering…

      Has she ever kicked with a 3-step approach and 300 lb defenders charging at her?  Dumb.

    • 09/27/2019 at 10:43 AM #106629
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      Utesbyfive
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      Women can do everything that men can don’t you know.

    • 09/27/2019 at 11:04 AM #106631
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      UteThunder
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      A level playing field in all industries and sectors they say? 

      Let me know when women are held to the same physical fitness standards as the men in law enforcement, fire fighting, and our military.

      • 09/27/2019 at 11:25 AM #106635
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        EagleMountainUte
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        They don’t really want equality they just want to have an outcome that is in their favor. 

        • 09/27/2019 at 12:33 PM #106640
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          SkinyUte
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          Wow.

          That’s…certainly an opinion.

          • 09/27/2019 at 1:05 PM #106645
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            EagleMountainUte
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            Do you believe United States is generally egalitarian?  Calling the outcome less fair or not what you want isn’t equality. That is dictatorship. You are dictating on what terms it should be equal.
            All things being equal(which they ain’t)I don’t mind if she tried out for an NFL team. Let’s see if she can do it in three steps and also do kickoffs. That is generally what is required and they even have to be backup punters to some degree and make tackles. 

            But as @utethunder pointed out lowering a physical standard for a particular profession is done all of the time for females. Keep the physical standard the same and I doubt she could be an nfl kicker. 

            • 09/27/2019 at 1:20 PM #106646
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              SkinyUte
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              Now let’s apply the same analysis to the millions of professional women in the US who get paid less than their their male counterparts for the exact same work, shall we?

              For the record, I think that ad was stupid trolling to get attention, and bad form. If Lloyd has the skills, then let her try out and see if she can earn the job. But to entirely dismiss the very real gender pay gap and lack of opportunity for women (especially women of color) over an ad is equally as stupid.

              • 09/27/2019 at 1:26 PM #106647
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                ironman1315
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                That’s a market decision though for the athletics. They are t part of the same org. Their org makes far less money. Get them into the NBA or MLS and they’d get the same pay as they’d be part of the players association subject to the CBA.

              • 09/27/2019 at 1:29 PM #106649
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                Itacoatiara22
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                Utefans.net is waiting for you to get back to them Skiny.

                • 09/27/2019 at 1:34 PM #106652
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                  SkinyUte
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                  Utefans.net is waiting for you to get back to them Skiny.

                  So all the other comments about gender issues are ok, but not this one.

                  Got it.

              • 09/27/2019 at 1:31 PM #106651
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                EagleMountainUte
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                I have never been paid more than my female counterparts. I have worked in three different professional fields. I have been passed over because of my genitalia for promotions and distinctions however. Because of the bent “equality of outcome” that they seek. 
                As far as Women’s professional athletes being paid less than Men. Yes let’s equalize it. Let’s give all Hollywood actors and Professional athletes equal pay regardless of competency or ability. It would be an interesting experiment honestly with the 1% earners.

                • 09/27/2019 at 1:36 PM #106653
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                  SkinyUte
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                  So you think the gender wage gap isn’t a real thing?

                  Your personal anecdotal experience aside, there’s loads of research out there that would disagree with you on that.

                  • 09/27/2019 at 1:48 PM #106655
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                    ironman1315
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                    It is. But to have a meaningful conversation we need to compare like things. Women’s athletics ain’t it because they aren’t part of he same organization and aren’t doing the same work.

                    • 09/27/2019 at 1:56 PM #106659
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                      EagleMountainUte
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                      But that is huge problem with the wage gap myth. They compare it across all occupations on some statistical models. They remove things like dominance hierarchies or gender preferences. This is a classic example. Why shouldn’t she play in the nfl she can kick a 55 yarder??? (incorrectly and in a practice scenario).  Then she trolls my boy Gay as if he hasn’t made big time field goals??  Drive by journalism/media at it’s worst.  That is why people formulate this belief that it isn’t equal because they say so. 

                      • 09/28/2019 at 4:29 AM #106759
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                        UtMtBiker
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                        Wrong. They actually include all variables. These are very smart economists and data scientists that make these reports. Literally everything you said is wrong in regards to the topic.

                  • 09/27/2019 at 2:09 PM #106665
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                    UteThunder
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                    The gender pay gap is NOT REAL!

                    If it were real, why would any business ever hire a man when they could supposedly hire women and pay them far less? 

                    The equal pay act of 1963 makes it illegal to pay women less than men for the same job. If women everywhere are being paid less for the same work, why isn’t anyone investigating? How come nobody is in jail? How come nobody pays fines?

                    The studies that everyone uses to claim there is a gender pay gap don’t make any distinction between job type, full-time/part-time, years on the job, education, experience, etc. They just look at the average female salary and compare it to the average male salary and say look at the gender pay gap. It’s an apples to oranges comparison. When you take into consideration such factors and just compare job for job, women make the same amount as men.

                    You can’t compare a receptionist to an engineer and then say women get paid less. It is one of the most ridiculous claims being made today and it is incredibly mind blowing that so many just blindly believe that women get paid less than men for doing the same work. 

                    • 09/28/2019 at 4:33 AM #106760
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                      UtMtBiker
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                      Again, not at all what the reports and data science say. Nobody is comparing receptionist to engineers. You’re contents show ignorance to actual science and facts.

                      • 09/28/2019 at 7:53 AM #106771
                        Itacoatiara22
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                        *your…couldn’t read anything after that.

                • 09/27/2019 at 1:53 PM #106656
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                  Dwight89
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                  Your anecdote doesn’t invalidate the science behind the gender pay gap, bud. 

                  • 09/27/2019 at 2:02 PM #106662
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                    EagleMountainUte
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                    All things being equal which they ain’t show me a single statistical model that accounts for all of the factors? They can’t even agree on how to compute it. You know why?  Because the social sciences have been hijacked by idealogues for years.  Go ahead “bud” let an idealogy run your mind.

                    This is the problem with Utefans politics they start to degenerate into this. Your little dismissal and jab at my intelligence calling me bud. I ain’t your bud no matter how much you want to make yourself feel superior by ASSUMING you’re absolutely correct.

                    • 09/28/2019 at 4:34 AM #106761
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                      UtMtBiker
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                      “They aint show me”…. not even going to try and argue with that.

                      • 09/28/2019 at 7:54 AM #106772
                        Itacoatiara22
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                        Lol…better go back and check your own spelling, grammar and vocabulary UtMtBiker…that’s hilarious!

                  • 09/27/2019 at 2:20 PM #106667
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                    UteThunder
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                    Tell us more about this “science” behind the gender pay gap.

                    • 09/27/2019 at 2:29 PM #106670
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                      SkinyUte
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                      Okay.

                      By the way, this is data comparing male vs. female salaries for the EXACT SAME POSITION, not salaries in the aggregate (which seems to be the crux of your argument).

                      • 09/27/2019 at 3:04 PM #106687
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                        UteThunder
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                        Interesting, your link shows a pay gap of only 4.9 percent as compared to the 20-30% that is claimed using the study methods I mentioned earlier. I can already see the gender pay gap disappearing. Imagine how much smaller it would get if they controlled for every factor and were comparing identical scenarios where the only difference was gender . . .  

                        And while that study does control for such factors as education, employment history, and job title, it does NOT say that they controlled for YEARS ON THE JOB. This is yet another big factor in the supposed wage gap. Men are far more likely to enter the workforce and stay in it for their entire working life than are women who typically leave the workforce to have kids. That means men are earning increased raises during all of that time their female counterparts are out of the workforce raising kids. 

                        Again I ask, if the gender pay gap is real, why would any business ever hire a man? Why is nobody in jail for violating the Equal Pay Act? It’s because the gender pay gap is not real.

                      • 09/27/2019 at 3:10 PM #106692
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                        EagleMountainUte
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                        So many factors. More women work part time, less hours and take leave if they choose to get pregnant.

                      • 09/28/2019 at 4:37 AM #106762
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                        UtMtBiker
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                        Wrong. People know this. Smart people who compile this information account for this. Do you really think they ate like….oh yeah, we totally didn’t account for basic gymnast biology?

                • 09/27/2019 at 2:37 PM #106673
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                  Brettski
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                  +1 Same here – Have sat through many town halls recently watching the annual award winners go 3-1 in a function that is 2-1 male/female.  

                  Everyone is paid fairly at my company, but they are definitely ‘leaning in’.  

              • 09/27/2019 at 2:03 PM #106663
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                Rick
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                You completely changed the argument here.  Not sure your point applies.  The discussing is on equality based on physicality and you changed it to compensation.  Apples and oranges IMO.

                • 09/27/2019 at 2:14 PM #106666
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                  SkinyUte
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                  Fair enough.

                  As a father of a young daughter and having a wife who just re-entered the professional workforce last week after 10 years away, this whole “women don’t want equality, they only want something in their favor” idea has gotten under my skin more than a little bit.

                  • 09/27/2019 at 2:23 PM #106669
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                    EagleMountainUte
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                    Respectfully you missed my point. Outcome is least desirable thing to equalize in social sense. I am 💯 for equality options and it exists in this county more so than any other that has ever existed. 

                    I watch Rugby and I doubt you meet many women who wish to compete in the men’s Rugby World cup going on right now because they can kick. But they do wish to be Law Enforcement and firefighters where they specifically lower the physical standard to recruit more women. That is a fact. 

                    • 09/27/2019 at 2:44 PM #106676
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                      Utesbyfive
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                      Equality of opportunity is an American value. Equality of outcomes… Well, Harrison Bergeron springs to mind.

    • 09/27/2019 at 12:33 PM #106641
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      Brettski
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      Proctor and Gamble are really pushing some virtue signaling these days. You’d think they learned from the Gillette fiasco

    • 09/27/2019 at 12:36 PM #106643
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      Stone
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      If she really believes this, suit up and try out. Otherwise, it’s all just posturing and identity politics.

    • 09/27/2019 at 2:32 PM #106672
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      Chidojuan
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      This entire thread is the perfect example of what happens to fans waiting for the next game after a tough loss.  I know I’m pent up over it.  I had to go chop some firewood after SC to cool off.

      • 09/27/2019 at 3:03 PM #106685
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        Tony (admin)
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        Yeah a win this week would really help.

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