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2010s – BYU’s Decade of Irrelevance

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    • #149727
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      TubbyUteStreetwise
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      With rivalry week upon us, I’ve been thinking about the BYU football program.  Specifically, I think about why I dislike their fans and why they always seem absolutely insufferable.  This is a team that we’ve beaten for 9 straight years.  For BYU, this has clearly been their decade of least relevance since the 1960s.  On Saturday, I’m going to watch the game and see the fans screaming for their team.  There will invariably be someone holding a sign that says, “Bring on ‘Bama”.  Naturally, to BYU fans, 2021 is their year – like every year.  This bothers me.  Here’s why . . . 

      This problem with BYU football in the decade of their independence is that BYU is – at best – the 3rd or 4th LEAST important game on the schedule of any of their opponents.  Without a conference affiliation, BYU has played a hodgepodge schedule of teams that don’t fully care with 100% of their heart and soul about beating or losing to BYU.  Of course, all teams want to win.  All BYU opponents want to beat BYU.  But, if given the choice to lose to BYU or to lose to a conference opponent, teams would always choose to lose to BYU because the game has no relevance to their conference title aspirations.  It’s human nature. 

      Case in point:  In the last few years, BYU beat Toledo.  In the last few years, BYU also loss to Toledo.  The victory was pretty good for Toledo.  It proved that they could beat a middle-tier team thrown onto their schedule.  The loss was unfortunate for Toledo but it wasn’t back breaking.  In neither year did the victory or the loss have any effect on Toledo’s goal to win their conference.  In any type of value analysis, it means that the games mean less for Toledo.

      This means, during their independence, BYU’s wins have less value to their legacy because the losses are valued less by their opponents.  Conversely, BYU’s losses reflect more to their legacy because the wins are valued less by their opponents.  (Of course, the lone possible exception to this entire corrallary is Utah who has a historical rivalry with BYU.)

      Yet . . . even knowing these facts, BYU fan still believes their program is better than Utah’s.  The cognitive dissonance required to be a BYU fan is unbelievable.

    • #149730
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      THEeyepatch
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      Let’s also take a look at all the “big names” that they’ve beaten in the past 10 years… those teams either finished hovering around .500 and not ranked or there worst season and I’m talking about Texas and Michigan State respectively. You could probably throw in Tennessee in there too. But their fans pat themselves on the back, pound their chest and act like their world beaters. 

      All this talk about them getting into the Little 12 (what I’m calling it now) they’re going to learn something about parity within a tough league. There won’t be one dominant team like Oklahoma has been for the past decade all the teams will be able to beat each other and you’re going to have conference champions that have one, two, maybe three losses and I think they forgot a team named TCU which used to beat them like a drum in the MWC.

      Back to parity, that’s why the Pac-12 is so hard everybody can beat everybody I mean you could probably say Oregon’s been the dominant team but even they take a loss here and there. It’s going to probably be amusing the next 10 years when they might realize how tough it is to play a real schedule and show some humility but I wouldn’t bet on it. 

       

    • #149735
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      krindor
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      I actually just did an in-depth statistical analysis, looking at every single P5 game over the last decade in order to rank every P5 team and conference (including the new incoming ones).

      Not sure the best way to post a table here, but long story short, BYU ranks #52/69. On the one hand, that’s fairly solid considering they’ve been languishing in independence instead of having a P5 affiliation. On the other hand, it’s still not great or nationally relevant, ranking just between Cal and Virginia.

      By comparison, Utah is #29 (dragged down by poor performance in early PAC12 years) in the same range as Texas, Northwestern, TCU, UCLA, Arizona St and Nebraksa.

      I’d expect to see both teams improve their rank in the future; Utah as those early PAC12 years cycle out and BYU as they adjust to improved resources

    • #149754
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      Charlie
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      Without question, the Y needed to join a conference. Without a doubt, the remnants of the Big12 is the best they could have hoped for. Next, they will face the week-in week-out work that Utah had to adjust to when we moved to the Pac. This conference grind is different than playing P5 teams in their non conference while they are cycling thru the depth chart getting ready for conference games. We also played Pac teams in both those rolls and it was shocking the difference we saw between the two. Batting 500 against the Texas schools and OSU will be a lofty goal the first 5 years as will 70% against the other mid majors in conference. Interest in P5 OOC games will be small while they try to clear those marks. And this all assumes a smooth transition. Once this gets under weigh, I expect we will hear less from the Y than any other time since the 60s.

      • #149759
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        Central Coast Ute
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        As time goes on and the level of competition in the little 8+4 drops from P5 quality to mid-major, BYU will be competitive. Personally, I don’t think the little 8+4 is done being raided by the Alliance conferences though.

        • #149761
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          RedLine
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          Agree – there’s likely programs in the former Big 12 looking for a new home. 

           

          • #149762
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            Central Coast Ute
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            All of them have reached out to the Alliance conferences. If any of them, or the SEC asks any one of them to join, they’ll jump quickly at the chance. Even if none of them receive an invite, the proof is in the pudding, it’s a mid-major conference.

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