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The steady decline of our defense. Why is this a thing? (If it even is a thing)

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    • #176047
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      chinngiskhaan
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      Just some thoughts on why our defense seems to be on a steady decline over the last few years from stellar to what I would call below average.

      The first thing I thought of saying is that I don’t think it’s a defensive coaching issue, at least not at the DC level. I think Morgan is doing a great job.

      Also, I think the increase in offensive production (passing in particular), and more importantly the decrease in special teams play that have made things more difficult on our defense in some ways. I also think our inability to convert on 4th and short tries has been a (rather small) factor here. Quicker scores and more time on the clock mean our defense is on the field more often. Also, Special teams not holding up their end of the bargain puts the defense at a disadvantage, kills momentum, and makes the defense look worse than it really is.

      Obviously we are lacking elite talent up front. That is an issue that is finally coming to a head now that we don’t have Devin covering up other people’s mistakes… But really I think the MOST IMPORTANT issue is that this defense is incredibly young still. Am I wrong? Fillinger is making the same mistakes that Orchard/Dimmick/Anae/Tafua all made as under classmen, constantly over persuing the QB, losing containment, jumping like an idiot when the qb pump fakes instead of just tackling the guy. Fillinger has the physical tools to figure it out, he’ll get there. The advantage that those guys had that Fillinger doesn’t is a massive DT in the middle taking up 2-3 blockers. Tafuna and the DTs are still young, and they are leaner than DTs we’ve had in the past. That has advantages and disadvantages, but they, like Fillinger are young. Similarly, we are still very young at the LB/S spots and don’t really have anyone capable of captaining this defense just yet. Bishop will absolutely get there, but he needs time. He has the instinct, but he needs to be able to pass that instinct on to the rest of the defense pre-snap. Once that happens, this defense will be elite again.

      One thing I AM really excited about is the length of our future stars at CB. Phillips is awesome, but I am super excited at the potential than Vaughn and Broughton bring to the table. Not sure either one will be Jaylon or Clark, but they will do great together next year (assuming Broughton doesn’t leave for the draft, haven’t heard anything about whether or not that is a possibility).

      Anyways, I have complete faith in Scalley and Co. They will get this defense back where it needs to be. Unlike a certain other DC, our DC and HC know exactly what they need in order to make this defense better, and they’ll get it one way or another.

    • #176054
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      PhiladelphiaUte
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      We won’t see Rising, Kinkaid, or CPIII in 2023, so be prepared for a step back next year.

      • #176060
        chinngiskhaan
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        That’s nice… what does it have to do with my post? Losing CPIII alone is not a guarantee that the D will be worse overall. Yes, he is our best defender, but everyone else is coming back. I think our defense takes a step forward next year if our ST can get their act together.

    • #176080
      2008 National Champ
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      Has the defense really declined or is it just part of the normal cycle? After 2016, the whole offensive line entered the NFL and it took a couple of years for it to get back its standard of play. After 2019, 9 defensive starters moved on so 2020/21 were always going to have their struggles.

      When 2020 became a lost year for development, it moved the same issues back a year. In 2021 Utah was able to take advantage of a down year for Pac offenses and some scheduling luck. After making terrible offenses from the parochial school and San Diego State look good, they then only had to face 3 intact offenses in conference. UCLA without DTR, Stanford without McKee, historically bad offenses at Arizona and Colorado, 4 different WSU QB’s, and the SC dumpster fire hid a lot of problems while allowing the team to develop enough to go 2-1 against ASU, OSU and Oregon.

      It was obvious to anyone who wanted to look at the roster that there was a huge question mark at LB. It is fair to say that Utah has gotten close to the worst possible outcome at the position this year between the transfer starter being injured and the rest of the room not making huge strides over what they showed in 2021. Every thing that has worked in the past as far as filling holes with transfers and guys switching positions just hasn’t happened and so it’s a young group without leadership. Which is why your leading tacklers every week are safeties.

      And it should be noted that Nate Ritchie and Sione Fotu would be on their 3rd year in the program and potential game changers if they weren’t on their missions. It doesn’t help 2022 but getting those two back for a defense that is learning on the job and will only lose Phillips should make the 2023 version look much more like you would expect.

      • #176081
        RedUte14
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        No guarantee arising leaves, but expected 2023 to be a rebuilding year anyways on offense. Mostly at quarterback.

        • #176108
          2008 National Champ
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          What does a rebuilding year look like? 2017 was a rebuilding year which ended up 6-6. I would have called 2021 and 2022 rebuilding years (before the season’s started) and they have turned out much better.

          Is the new floor 6-6? 7-5? 8-4? I honestly don’t know at this point but it is going to take a couple of cycles before both sides of the ball are aligned so that one graduating class doesn’t leave a huge hole.

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