Why not play the pig farmer if we need the throw game?

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- 09/28/2023 at 5:58 PM #197931
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  HoosierUte
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  Everything that i see says that we need to throw to beat the bears. Why not put the pig farmer back out there? Seems like nobody is even considering giving Barnes another shot.
- 09/28/2023 at 6:03 PM #197935
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  EagleMountainUte
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  I am failing to see the “everything” you say you see.
  
  Oline is below average grading out. They are not particularly good at anything and it isn’t one guy consistently being bad.
  
  TE the blocking has been so bad. Like really bad.
  
  RB no JJ or Bernard to help here. JJ does more despite being injured from the fall camp. Glover has times where he shines. In the fourth mostly. Curry is not game shape(see TT last season).
  
  WR have Rising throwing to them during the week and are expected to block most downs on gameday.
  
  The offense has a lot of problems. Rising is the only solution that I see fixing it. Unless he really isn’t healthy. Which his return is an expectation that has been arbitrarily chosen by fans and then hyped by the coaching staff.
  
  Even Whitt said the solution is Rising on Monday.
  - 09/28/2023 at 9:04 PM #198021
    
    Ute Dub
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    What/where is your source that the O-Line is grading below average. I would genuinely like to see that information.
    - 09/28/2023 at 9:23 PM #198024
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      EagleMountainUte
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      PFF.com
      Kump is 60.1
      62.9 PBLK and 59.6 RBLK
      Bills is 60.1
      48.4 PBLK and 63.9 RBLK
      Mokofisi is 57.7
      58.2 PBLK and 57.6 RBLK
      Laumea is 69.8
      68.1 PBLK and 71.2 RBLK
      Fano is 58.0
      60.4 PBLK and 57.5 RBLK
      
      Average to below average scores. But they have played really good defenses in comparison to Oregon states teams.
      - 09/28/2023 at 9:26 PM #198027
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        The Miami Ute
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        Yeah Eagle, would you believe that UCLA’s defense is actually ranked higher than Utah’s? I ran a check today and UCLA is #8 in the nation and Utah is #9. UCLA is only allowing 3.75 yards per play. Without that pick six last Saturday, I’m guessing that there was a good chance that Utah would have won that game 7-0. When was the last time you saw a score like that in college football?
        
        09/28/2023 at 10:10 PM #198041
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        EagleMountainUte
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        I have been appreciating that game more and more. So funny to send Kelly out like that. 9 rushing yards. Just an embarrassment.
        Ucla also haven’t really played anyone. Oregon state at least has Wazzu.
      - 09/29/2023 at 8:33 AM #198089
        
        Xanthis
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        Will be interesting to see if the O-Line gets better as the season goes on. It seems like they always come together towards the end of the season.
- 09/28/2023 at 6:19 PM #197942
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  Utah
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  Cause the pig farmer can’t throw.
  - 09/29/2023 at 11:06 AM #198110
    
    Ute Dub
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    I would argue differently and say he can throw, but his decision-making is just so slow that the open guy is not open by the time he’s ready to make the throw.
- 09/28/2023 at 6:24 PM #197946
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  D T
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  BB’s not the solution.
- 09/28/2023 at 6:37 PM #197952
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  Central Coast Ute
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  Because Johnson proved to be the better thrower and runner in the Baylor game.
- 09/28/2023 at 6:39 PM #197953
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  Yergensen
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  You mean that throw game from first 3 quarters of Baylor?
  - 09/28/2023 at 6:54 PM #197963
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    2008 National Champ
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    I haven’t seen anything from last week or against an overmatched Weber that suggests that Barnes is worse than Johnson. Those were two defenses primed to for success in the passing game and Johnson barely completed 60% of his passes.
    
    The Baylor drive has been so overhyped it’s almost criminal. Baylor was trying to protect a one score lead in the 4th quarter and played off allowing the underneath routes in the center of the field. I’m glad Johnson made the most of it but let’s please stop pretending it was predictive of future performance.
    - 09/28/2023 at 7:02 PM #197969
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      Itacoatiara22
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      Sometimes I wonder if you watch the same games as the rest of us…
      - 09/28/2023 at 7:11 PM #197977
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        2008 National Champ
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        It’s obvious that some of us do.
        
        Go back to the comments after the Florida game when Mertz was racking up yards in the second half. Almost to a poster, the consensus was that didn’t matter because Utah had the lead and was only concerned with not giving up the big play.
        
        Funny how when Utah comes back it is because of their out-of-this-world ability but when others teams do the same it is because of some strategy that only Utah is capable of employing.
        
        09/28/2023 at 7:31 PM #197983
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        bopahull
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        The biggest difference between those 2 examples is Florida racked up the yardage but failed in their comeback. The Utes on the other hand racked up the yardage but were successful in their comeback.
        What better strategy is there than that?
        
        09/28/2023 at 7:47 PM #197989
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        Prevent Defense = Prevent Defense. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
        
        The same people who are applauding Johnson’s play on that drive are the ones who carp when Utah plays Prevent with a lead. Heck, Utah did it on the UCLA’s scoring drive and then the first 3 plays of their last drive. Put 7 or 8 in coverage, hope you can get home with just your D Line, and keep everything in front of you. It’s not like I’m suggesting something that hasn’t been going on since the invention of the forward pass.
        
        09/28/2023 at 8:47 PM #198019
        
        bopahull
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        Sorry, just attempting a little sarcasm.
    - 09/28/2023 at 8:20 PM #198007
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      22Ute22
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      How was Johnson primed for success? We were extremely conservative during Weber State. Against UCLA, our O-line played bad, UCLA has a great D-line with 2 amazing edge rushers, and he only had 50% of the QB1 reps. But go off on how he was primed for success.
- 09/28/2023 at 8:28 PM #198013
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  fosternano
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  He was 6/19 for 71 yards in 3 quarters of play against Baylor. The same Baylor team that let Texas state put up 300 passing yards on them and 42 points.
  
  NJ has a lot more upside with his athleticism, the play calling and execution just needs to be there.
  - 09/28/2023 at 9:37 PM #198034
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    Utesbyfive
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    Are you suggesting that Nate be compared to Quin Ewers, a 5* who has been their QB1 since spring camp?
- 09/28/2023 at 10:06 PM #198040
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  Charlie
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  Good grief, was anyone happy on Christmas as a kid? With all the penciled in changes to the depth chart we are 4 and 0, and have good prospects of folks rolling back in. I think I will sit back and enjoy winning games until we are not winning games. When that point arrives we will finally have information to discuss.
- 09/29/2023 at 12:42 AM #198046
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  22Ute22
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  Barnes is no good. NJ has more zip on his slants, is faster and more elusive, and Barnes doesn’t keep his eyes downfield. When he faces the slightest bit of pressure, he just tucks the ball and tries to run. NJ is sorta doing the opposite though. There are times when NJ should just tuck the ball and run full speed, but he is keeping his eyes downfield. Maybe he doesn’t want to seem like Barnes lol.
- 09/29/2023 at 5:44 AM #198048
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  J Rocksville
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  I’m not a football expert, but my eyeballs saw Bryson Barnes reading things a half second late and throwing, and NJ reading things on time but throwing the ball a bit behind everyone. They both miss open receivers with their tunnel vision.
  
  I don’t know which is better, but if the qb run keeps the line more honest then you’d think that would open up more/easier options downfield.
- 09/29/2023 at 7:32 AM #198070
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  Tony (admin)
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  The reason is that we have a better chance of winning with NJ.
- 09/29/2023 at 9:55 AM #198097
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  Distantute
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  Because he cant throw?
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