OnlyU/Ghost Thoughts
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crash11Participant
OnlyU, I’m guessing, with your inside knowledge, you have a sense of boosters and the frustration level… has to be frustration with Ludwig at this point?
Any idea on the locker room right now, major frustration (I mean, Tafuna was visibly emotional on Saturday night) is probably a given? Do you think this team bounces back and rights the ship, or reality is this team, with the injuries on D and to Cam is a 7-8 win team at best.
Curious your thoughts after this weekend.
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2008 National ChampParticipant
Ghost has been the better source for how things are in the locker room. He was the first of our “insiders” to point out how unhappy Jackson was last season.
OnlyU tends to be a little on the positive spin side which is great for pumping us up
Both are great sources and the slants may come from who it is they are getting their info from.
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RoboUteParticipant
Team’s a s**tshow. If Kyle can show them that things are aligned and not changing and their captains/leaders convince them to play along things can turn around. It’s on those young men because I can absolutely guarantee you everything Whitt is telling them, true or false, sounds like lip service to them right now.
These coming days will need to hit a head of negativity and spawn from that a seed of some new direction. Some groups fall apart during that process, some don’t we haven’t seen yet but I have a strong feeling that regardless of results (we won’t be a good team this season). That emotional rock bottom was either saturday/sunday or some time this week.
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RustyShacklefordParticipant
We need a team only meeting ASAP
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2008 National ChampParticipant
I think they already had one. Whether that results in further stratification of the team or a new focus will probably be evidenced the first time they try to respond to adversity.
Other’s have said it better than I so I’m not trying to be profound, but what we are seeing right now is the worst case scenario of tying your fortunes to one individual in a team sport.
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stboneParticipant
This (“team built around one player”) is a bad take that I have seen often over the past several days. Every football team offense is built around the quarterback. And, what you are calling “building around one player” is typically called adding weapons to the offense.
Yes, the team was anticipating a healthy Rising, and they were delivering on that before a water cooler happened. Was the offense built for Rising? Yes, of course it was. What did you want them to do, build a quarterback agnostic offense? (AFA in the 90’s is a close to that as you can get).
Apart from execution (and injured Rising), I think the biggest problem this team has is a lack of leadership. I don’t think there is any uninjured leader on the defense (of course somebody is being a leader, but no LB of S appears to be providing leadership). Similarly on offense, because he is new, I doubt IW is providing leadership. We seem to have a team without a rudder.
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2008 National ChampParticipant
Of course I’m making inferences because I’m not part of the team. But no one can deny that the bulk of the excitement prior to 2023 was based on having Rising running the same Ludwig offense as the previous two seasons and Kuithe leading the other skill players as his favourite weapon. I’m not going to relitigate 2023 but from my 30,000 foot view the offense didn’t adapt itself to fully utilize the remaining pieces.
2024 has been more of the same, with the same substandard results when viewed in the context of what the 2021/2022 offenses accomplished. That is what I mean by tying your fortunes to one player. Because if Barnes, Johnson or Wilson was producing 33 ppg instead of Rising’s 39 we would all agree that the plan was working as advertised but the others just weren’t able to quite run it as well as Cam. But when the results are half as good and there have been no obvious attempts to alter the plan.,,
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stboneParticipant
Thanks for clarifying – that makes more sense.
I saw a post earlier today with the theory that plays will be made, and that the quality of player on the field just changes the distribution of those plays. While there may be some truth to that, the drop-off between the plays made by a top-player and a mid-player isn’t linear. Looking at CPIII’s interception yesterday, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ngX94MiiUo) a player a step slower would have just made a tackle. I think this is particularly the case at QB, where miniscule differences in skill lead to huge differences in outcome. (As I Broncos fan I saw this play out with Peyton Manning in his last season as his arm strength rapidly diminished to the point where he could only rarely complete a pass).
Barnes and NJ had low enough skill levels, that I truly believe there was next to nothing that could be consistently done with them. IW is different, and I think he will get it figured out – it just may not look pretty until then. I am concerned by the statement that I repeatedly hear that “Ludwig has a challenging offense” because, from watching, his offense doesn’t seem very different from any other offense I have watched.
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2008 National ChampParticipant
Yeah, the “Ludwig’s offense is too complex” theory seems to have been borne from comments Whitt has made. We hear so often about individual players that they don’t know the playbook so that’s why they aren’t playing.
I think the reason Rising is able to run it so well is the time he was afforded in 2019 when he got to sit in the booth during games. That’s a perspective few people ever get and he should have been able to ask about and see for himself what Ludwig was hoping to accomplish in real time. Add all of that knowledge to his intangibles and you get high performance.
I’ve always said that Ludwig doesn’t run a QB friendly offense. The easiest to learn are Air Raid or Run & Shoot because those are based off standard route trees with known options depending on the defense. You can line up in the same formation with the same play call 5 times in a row and it will look like 5 different plays.
But what I believe Ludwig does is throw a lot of window dressing in that confuses his own QB. On his standard 5 receiver route, it never seems to me like more than 3 are actually options. Everyone else is just a decoy. So if the D successful covers the right 2 or 3 receivers, the QB has to make something happen with his legs because he’s been trained never to look at the decoys. And being decoys, they’ve been trained to not continue their routes after the first fake. Add that to his penchant for calling routes short of the sticks which depend on the receiver catching the ball in a tight window and then making a play, you put a lot of pressure on the QB to make the great decision every time instead of just a lot of good ones.
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