Isaac Wilson vs. Sam Huard not considering Brandon Rose (just a feeling)

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- 10/16/2024 at 9:27 AM #228841
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  Zigziggler
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  Oh boy this Cam Rising saga has gotten me feeling all sorts of mixed emotions. It’s like having a parent at the end of their life on hospice care, slowly dieing. Only to be safe but relieved after they are gone. Issac Wilson, needs to mature no doubt about it. I wasn’t all that impressed with him in totality. He did have some impressive plays though. I am more interested in Sam Huard. He comes to Utah having thrown 200 more yards his senior year in HS and roughly 10 more touchdowns. He definitely isn’t the runner that Wilson is, but a much more advanced thrower of the ball. My hope is that he stays as I believe he has one more year of availability and just sweats UTAH football in the off-season so that we have a massive camp battle on our hands. I believe we have the runners in place (Mitchell) whom I think is going to be a stud. Stanley who is going to be a slippery skat back and the rest of the crew. If we can continue to bring in quality transfer WR’s and supplement with our developmental recruits, and continue on the TE train. I think Sam Huard is our man next year! Issac has more years of eligibility and more experience in our offense but get Sam up to speed and he is going to throw the lights out.
- 10/16/2024 at 10:58 AM #228851
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  the senior Huard is a lousy broadcaster!
  - 10/16/2024 at 12:50 PM #228869
    
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    wrong Huard. Brock is the uncle, Damon is Sam’s dad. And both made it to the league which I value more than whether they come up with enough snappy comments to fill a 3.5 hour broadcast window.
- 10/16/2024 at 11:20 AM #228854
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  Ghost of the HEB
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  Huard led Cal Poly to a 1-7 record in the BigSky. It’s easy to get enamored with the 5* recruiting ranking, but there’s probably a reason he ended up at the FCS level and then a crowded Utah QB room.
  - 10/16/2024 at 11:44 AM #228856
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    The Miami Ute
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    Yeap. The recruit star system has been shown, at times, to be nothing but a popularity contest. Look at BSU, where you have All World 5 Star Malachi Nelson, fresh out of USC, backing up 3 Star RS SO Maddux Madsen (who’s from American Fork, but that’s just by the way).
- 10/16/2024 at 11:47 AM #228857
  
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  Not necessarily looking at the stars but just what he did in high school. Cal poly sucked! No doubt Huard was part of that suck, but he definitely didn’t have any help on offense.
  - 10/16/2024 at 1:02 PM #228874
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    The other part of recruiting rankings is they don’t look at what is around the player being evaluated. Tuttle is a perfect example since he got to throw to a 1st round pick (Olave). They were both rated 4 stars but if you did a look back ranking, Olave should have been a 5 star catching passes from a 3 star.
    
    Huard was in an air raid system, had two former NFL QB’s mentoring him, and had two consensus 4 stars to throw to on the most talented roster in the state of Washington. Kennedy Catholic is just like Bishop Gorman, Mater Dei, Bosco, etc where they can recruit the best players in the region instead of making a roster out of everyone who lives within the radius of the yellow school bus. Huard set records and looks great on the highlight reels. He’s also got a long release and isn’t overly accurate on the short and intermediate throws.
    
    It’s easy to get enamored with how pretty that long ball is. I’d take his long ball to the prom. P4 starting QB requires more than a long ball.
    - 10/16/2024 at 3:08 PM #228896
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      You’re right. And it’s interesting why that data point isn’t more important. When a college QB is transitioning to the NFL, things like that are part of the analysis package, possibly because a lot of money is involved.
      - 10/16/2024 at 5:48 PM #228919
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        For the kids who do the camps circuits, I think the ranking “experts” can do a pretty good job because they are actually comparing kids side by side. i.e. based on what I’ve seen so far from Wilson, low 4-star seems like they nailed his ranking. strong arm, good mobility but also some accuracy issues and he seems smaller than listed. If I’d been trying to evaluate him I wouldn’t have said future first rounder which is what a 5 star is supposed to be. But definitely multi-year starter with potential for a mid-round draft pick.
        
        Yet, when they are just going off highlight reels it’s tough to look at player X’s 20 best plays and say definitively that they project better than player Y’s. So you bump up based on competition, throw a little garnish on for awards and fall back on “it’s an estimate not an exactimate” if the kid doesn’t live up to your ranking. I’ve made a living off of getting my estimates within an acceptable margin of error. It’s not as tough to do as some people make it out to be.
- 10/16/2024 at 1:51 PM #228883
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  Jim Vanderhoof
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  Rose is the interesting one for me. He has been in the program 3 years and hasn’t taken a snap in a game. Even during last years QB debacle. A freshman beats him out for QB2. Looks like he has a strong arm. Whitts made comments he hasn’t grasp the offense. He can’t run the ten plays Wilson is running? Our coaches are not good QB whisperers or judges of qb talent. Whitt can spot a LB or defensive lineman from a mile away but looks at a QB from a defensive perspective. Our “pro style” offense may cut down on turnovers but also cuts down big plays. College is about big plays.
  - 10/16/2024 at 3:15 PM #228897
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    He was also injured during last years debacle, so there’s that
  - 10/16/2024 at 5:59 PM #228920
    
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    Whitt’s most successful QB recruits have all ended up at other positions. Off the top of my head: DeVonte Christopher, Chase Hansen, Britain Covey (technically), Brian Blechen but I know I’m missing a couple.
    
    Nate Johnson could get himself into the league if he’d switch to receiver. JaQuinden was never the QB people wanted him to be and wasn’t technically a QB recruit under Whitt but I’m going to count him. Tao Johnson was a HS QB but listed as WR on 247. Seems like there was another LB recently.,,
    
    Whitt’s genius is finding HS QB’s who are the best athletes on the field but who also don’t project as college QB’s. Once he gets them to the right position, you have a kid with proven leadership skills and are already trained at seeing the whole field instead of just their own assignment.
- 10/17/2024 at 1:59 PM #229051
  
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  Well than….I completely understand that after Rising our perspective is only IW. I just am not on board with riding that horse, because that is all we know. Take it or leave it. However we better have something between IW,Huard, Rose, Becker or to be named transfer. If not we are in for a very mediocre period of Utah football. It won’t be too long before we see our other positions of recruiting fall off because of our lack of ability to bring in a stud at quarterback!
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