Details about Rose’s injury makes me even more disappointed in our coaching staff

Not doubting you, but where does the info about an incident with Wilson come from?

I’ve pointed out that the last two games whenever I see Wilson on the sidelines he has his helmet on, almost as a talisman against his teammates. I’m obviously reading into it but with his body language and the things we are now hearing, it seems I was right to think the helmet being on wasn’t a sign that he was ready to go into the game at any point.

Against SUU and Baylor, even through Okie State Wilson was always around the other QB’s with a big smile on his face. Lately he’s looked like he’s being bullied and has no option but to stand there and take it because no one is coming to his defense. We all saw that as kids when someone who got picked on a lot would pull his hood over his head while standing in the bus line hoping to be able to hide in plain sight and not incur any more wrath.

But it’s even more of a coaching failure because when they did run Rose, it was in high leverage situations. There was at least one 3rd and medium that a designed QB run was called.

I will say this in the coach’s defense. I don’t think you can diagnose Lisfranc without an MRI. So it comes down to what the player is reporting as far as pain. And if the player downplays it to the point where the training staff believes they don’t need to at least do a quick X-ray and can get away with maybe an anti-inflammatory and whatever pain meds they thought best (certainly not something like Dilaudid – which I recommend for everything that ails you).

Halftime is only 20 minutes and the medical staff probably had half of that to diagnose, treat, and get him over to his position group for the 2nd half. If you went in to your doctor and downplayed all of your symptoms, can you really expect them to make the right diagnosis? I agree Whitt has made mistakes, and letting his QB’s decide when they are capable is definitely one of them. But I just don’t see him ignoring medical advice and sending an injured player back out there. Especially with the number of starters who have sat for a game or two this year while receiving treatment for non season ending injuries.

They need to bring Larry K back in with his sweet grass and smoke out the football facilities!

The jump pass was not done during McBride’s time. It was an Urban Meyer/Dan Mullen play with Ben Moa.

The real question is, would playing make it worse?

If the answer is yes, then the coaches f**ked up.

If the answer is no, then the next question is, does Rose want to play?

If the answer is yes, then the coaches didn’t do anything wrong.

Bottari should have been a legitimate option after game 3. He’s got the Drew Lisk magic and Whitt’s keeping that genie in the bottle to his own detriment. Unleash the beard!

I absolutely think Whitt would do that, especially the way he hides all injury information unless it is 100% out of his control. He’s built from football in the 70’s and 80’s. They were all like this.

Past players I’ve talked to said that when the training staff says any timeline, he takes the best case scenario and holds the players to it. 3-6 weeks? he expects you practicing and playing by week 3.

Just look at Rose, Rising, Pittman and how their injuries were bad and they drugged up and played anyways? That’s on the coaches.

There’s a clip of the play on another thread but it’s from a phone on the wrong side of the field. not sure you would be able to see action involving Rose. It was the Kuithe 2nd TD thread

They doped him up and put something on to protect an injured body part.

With Rising it was so obvious how ineffective he was most of us were not shocked at all when he announced another season ending surgery.

Problem is it’s clearly her account.

Yes, because someone other than family would have a picture of him in the recovery room right after surgery. Jesus you guys are really stretching this.

I wholeheartedly reject the short-term-memory, “what have you done for me lately”, rats jumping off of a ship when they feel a drop of water idea that this staff is inept. The thing about riding or dying is that sometimes you’re riding, and sometimes you’re dying. It’s important to realize you have to give your confidence and support through both. I remember an angry (and paraphrased) Saban rant saying that nobody wants to win more than the players, and nobody feels worse than they do when they lose.

While the staff takes a beating for on the field performances, understand that for every well compensated coordinator or admin there are a dozen people with families who make much less but will be equally unemployed (and looking for jobs, possibly new schools for their kids, different places to live, etc.) should a new regime come in with their own philosophies and staff. Mike Norvell still has a job, so let’s maybe pump the brakes.

Yes, the playcalling on offense has been conservative to bad this year. Playing Cam Rising on a 4th and 9 when he can’t throw to hit the first down marker was the worst. HOWEVER…in their defense, some of the Ludwig hits have included Vaki conversion to offense, Covey (originally played QB – Ute staff said screw it let’s get this guy on the field), picking up a tight end from San Diego University and flipping him to a first rounder, Ja’Quinden Jackson as a very good running back, and Logan Kendall going from a tight end at Idaho to spending 2022 providing CTE researchers with new samples. Ludwig stunk this year, and his mea culpa is that he’s now unemployed.

I’ll end with this: Utah as a program is much more respected across the country and by national media than you would have ever thought ten years ago, and that is because of the “embarrassment” of a coaching staff. Utah got better each year in the PAC12 until they had the players to enforce their identity, and that led to the majority of games being a spectacle of watching both offense and defense absolutely bully more talented teams. “tHe PaC12 wAs SoFt” I hear you say. Cool dude. At the end of the PAC12, four current BIGXII members had winning records against the conference. If you only consider teams with more than 50 games against members, that number falls to Texas Tech at 39-20. Cincy had the best record at 6-2. The Zoobs had the second-to-worst, with a 37% win rate. Worst if you remove UCF, as they only have 3 games on their record.

Go Utes

First couple weeks after the season ends are going to be interesting to watch. Does KW hang it up or play through on the end of career rehab tour? Does MS stick around or jump ship to a stable, supported G5 head coach job. Who’s the new OC? Where is Harlan when the season ends? One constant in all the turmoil is fan support. TCU game was awesome and from the couch the BYU game looked electric. The foundation is in place for Utah to get back on track.

They gave him heavy pain meds and a steel plated insole so he could continue playing.The Dr couldn’t believe he he was really even able to walk.