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    • 11/30/2024 at 5:25 PM #235596
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      Ute Dub
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      https://x.com/willyfoosball/status/1862983247602626604?s=42

    • 11/30/2024 at 5:31 PM #235600
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      The Miami Ute
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      I sure hope that Whitt lets Arbuckle do his thing come hell or high water.

    • 11/30/2024 at 5:47 PM #235604
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      Anfernee
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      Write up from Oklahoma reporter:

      “As expected of his background, Arbuckle is an Air Raid coach, though it is modified. Oklahoma fans will recognize that as a similar way to describe what Lincoln Riley ran in his years with the Sooners.

      The goal of his offense is pretty simple: Use tempo and pace to be calculatingly aggressive. Take advantage of any space and leverage the defense gives you as a result. Arbuckle will call his offense to wear down defenses with quick game passes, and most recently the run game, and set an up-tempo pace to tire defenses out before taking a kill shot.

      A former quarterback himself, Arbuckle can effectively translate his system to quarterbacks, which helps explain why it’s worked with three different signal-callers in just three years.”

      • 11/30/2024 at 5:50 PM #235605
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        hbUte
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        Wonder if this also means that the WSU qb Mateer, will be coming also???

        • 11/30/2024 at 5:51 PM #235608
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          highlandute7
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          He has very similar stats to Cam’s first rose bowl season but he has rushed for more yards and TDs. He could be really good.

        • 11/30/2024 at 5:59 PM #235611
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          The Miami Ute
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          Mateer is a good QB. If he decides to leave Wazzu, he’ll have many suitors ala Cam Ward. I’m not certain that Utah will be able to outbid teams like Miami, etc.. for his services.

      • 11/30/2024 at 6:02 PM #235612
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        I’ve watched a bunch of WSU games the last 2 years. It’s not an Air Raid offense like we were used to seeing with Leach. It’s more similar to what we saw Eric Morris run with Cam Ward when Utah played WSU in 2022. Dillingham and Will Stein (Oregon) are also similar.

        Lots of quick screens (bubble and tunnel) to the sidelines paired with slants to get the defense on it’s heels which opens up the run option and vertical passing. When it’s working, it eats yards like a fat kid eats cake. When it’s not, the fan base will change from “why do we always run up the gut” to “why are we throwing screens on 3rd and 6”.

        I can definitely see Scalley want to run this type of offense since it’s really the only one he’s had trouble defending. My question would be how much Whitt would be willing to run a tempo offense and risk putting his D back on the field? Not burning play clock when he’s got the lead just hasn’t been part of his DNA.

        • 11/30/2024 at 6:22 PM #235620
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          SalUteopia
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          Is there any scenario where good things happen to Utah?!

          • 11/30/2024 at 6:44 PM #235623
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            That was just information. I’ve come to no opinion on an OC who hasn’t been hired by Utah yet.

            For the record, I would love to see Whitt bring in an OC and turn him loose on the competition in the same way he’s allowed Scalley on that side of the ball. I’d also like Whitt, if he stays, to either bring in someone who can get the special teams back to worthy of the name or take charge of that himself.

            I am skeptical of Whitt being able to do that whether it’s Arbuckle or someone else who runs an offense more like Troy Taylor than Andy Ludwig. But I won’t start forming an opinion on the new OC’s offense until August 30, 2025 against UCLA.

            • 11/30/2024 at 6:59 PM #235629
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              Ute Dub
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              I remember when Urban had an up tempo offense with a K-Whitt defense. It seemed to work out pretty well.

          • 11/30/2024 at 10:22 PM #235674
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            PhiladelphiaUte
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            @SalUtopia

            I think the “best-case scenario” for Utah is, Whittingham announces his retirement, and Scalley takes over. Scalley then poaches Jay Hill as our new DC, and hires a strong OC — whomever that may be.

            And for the record, I’m not in the “fire Whittingham” camp. I think he’s one of the best coaches to have ever taken the helm of a program in the state of Utah, and would do well should he opt to return next year. My only concern with Whittingham at the helm, is that it’s scaring off top recruits — because they think he won’t be there when they’re ready to take the field. We had a terrible year this year, so that’s not aiding our recruiting any either. That’s why I think it would be best if recruits can feel confident that the coach who recruited them isn’t going anywhere. Scalley can give them that confidence. I don’t believe Whittingham can.

            GO UTES!!!

    • 11/30/2024 at 6:14 PM #235618
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      lgt4141
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      All Utah needed was a slightly below average offense this year and it would have been a different season. I how they get an OC like Arbuckle.

    • 11/30/2024 at 7:13 PM #235635
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      Whitt needs to take a page from Dan Campbell and Nick Siriani’s playbook:

      Be a head coach that doesn’t do jack s**t except make sure everyone is happy and take the blame for bad calls that your OC/DC made but you tell everyone you made that call.

      • 11/30/2024 at 7:45 PM #235644
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        Onlyu
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        What if it’s not Whitt?

        • 11/30/2024 at 7:49 PM #235645
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          Anfernee
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          Oh s**t! Only-U Kenobi with the 🎤 drop.

        • 11/30/2024 at 7:50 PM #235646
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          Utah
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          I’m fine. I’m not sold on Scalley, but I also don’t think you should have two head coaches like we did this year.

          It’s too hard.

          So, I say go with Scalley.

          2nd – if Whitt stays, the be a Campbell/Siriani coach and let your coordinators do their thing.

        • 11/30/2024 at 8:23 PM #235655
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          pedro
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          It’s a tired thought that Whit haters like to hang on to. “I hope Whit let’s him run his offense” just tells me how people don’t know jack s**t about the program. I literally had a guy at the last home game say this, then complain that Whit, and I quote, “played over 280 rounds of golf this summer” when he should have been recruiting. No matter what he does, he will be blamed, maybe it should be so since he is the HC, but the s**t people come up with to blame him is ridiculous. Complain if you don’t like him, fine. But don’t keep running with the same old tired stories and have been disproven time and again.

          • 12/01/2024 at 8:22 AM #235687
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            Tony (admin)
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            You can’t even play 280 rounds in a summer.

            • 12/01/2024 at 8:31 AM #235689
              RoboUte
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              I’ve definitely never heard the golf narrative

          • 12/01/2024 at 8:30 AM #235688
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            RoboUte
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            Are the disproven stories in the room with us right now, pedro?

        • 11/30/2024 at 9:36 PM #235668
          Anfernee
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          Willy Foosball is the only place I’ve seen anything about Arbuckle to Utah. Not exactly Schefter. You think there’s some truth there?

    • 11/30/2024 at 7:55 PM #235647
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      2008 National Champ
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      Arbuckle, Mateer and the #7 scoring offense just put up 14 points on a Wyoming defense that gives up 30 per

      • 11/30/2024 at 8:05 PM #235649
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        Anfernee
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        It’s football. Not every week is a video game stat line.

        • 11/30/2024 at 10:35 PM #235676
          jshame17
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          Well, why not?

          I want it and I want it now!!

          I expect the ‘86 Bears defense with Case Keenum passing numbers and a Barry Sanders in the backfield…

          Why can’t we have that?

    • 12/01/2024 at 12:12 AM #235681
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      Trailgoat
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      Are we officially in off season entertainment mode? Wait, isn’t KW meeting with CR this week to determine if he wants to come back for year 8? Looking forward to episode #3 of KW and CR doing another Bad Moon Rising truck video announcing a comeback with IW, Huerd, and Rose laid up in the truck bed. This off season is going to be fun! Saw Mateer play against BSU on the blue turf. FWIW, Mateer was much better than what we’ve seen the past two years at Utah. At this point, any QB able to walk and an OC with a pulse is an upgrade. I guess a package deal relieves KW having to recruit a QB. A winning record and a Vegas bowl game victory next season should be considered a very successful 2025 season. Go Utes!

    • 12/01/2024 at 7:52 AM #235684
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      ProudUte
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      If Whitt is the head coach – he will never hire a coach who runs a fast-paced offense. He wants the offense to have long (time-consuming) drives that keeps his defense off the field. I hope when Scalley becomes the head coach that he will allow a faster-pace offense when it makes sense.

      • 12/01/2024 at 8:03 AM #235686
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        Sir Potsdam
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        The ironic thing about that Whittingham philosophy is that the offensive crap he has put on the field is so riddled with three and outs that his defense is on the field all the time anyway. A fast paced offense certainly wouldn’t be a risk to the defense being on the field anymore than what we’ve seen with recent offenses of his.

        • 12/01/2024 at 8:41 AM #235690
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          2008 National Champ
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          a 42-21 win counts the same as 24-3. Lots of coaches have figured that out. Not all, but lots.

          • 12/01/2024 at 9:51 AM #235700
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            follow up: The concept of the more points you score, the better your chances of winning feels so intuitive that I can’t believe it’s not on Whitt’s analytics sheet.

            Whitt has coached 252 games (not counting 2005 Fiesta Bowl) and won 166 of them (.659). His win % by points scored in his career:

            0-10: 0-23 (.000)
            11-20: 14-26 (.350)
            21-30: 49-29 (.628)
            31-40: 49-6 (.891)
            41+: 54-2 (.964)

            Scoring above 30 points should thus be the goal every game since his teams are 103-8. Just to be clear, that is 103 wins to only 8 losses when his team scores 31 points or more in a single game. I think we’re past the point of a trend and into accepted fact that pairing an effective offense and letting them score as many points as they can with his standard defense is a winning formula.

        • 12/01/2024 at 9:12 AM #235694
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          jshame17
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          Yup,

          I’ll add that if an offense is trying to keep pace with the other team, they often make mistakes and become 1 dimensional.

          Utah has not been able to score and the defense knows that we have been forced to throw to keep pace, which we do not do well, so we became easy to defend against.

          Utah defense in the past has been able to take advantage of this scenario. As Whitt likes to talk about by taking away the run game, it forces teams to throw, so the D can then just T-off on the QB and get INTs.

          We need balance, but we do not have the oline that has shown the ability to pass and run block consistently, or a good enough passing QB & WR to be a threat game in or game out.

          That is why Alex Smith and Urban’s offense were so powerful. They could beat you any way needed.

      • 12/01/2024 at 9:08 AM #235693
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        Utah#1
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        Hence the offense will still be boring and lethargic no matter who he hires as OC because at the end of the day, he will still interfere with the offense and put his defense on the field two-thirds of games to save his ass from losing.

        This time, instead of holding on to leads like in times past, opponents have countered that plan and beating him forcing him to keep scoring if he doesn’t want to lose. His days of protecting leads are over.

    • 12/01/2024 at 9:21 AM #235696
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      Caliman
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      WOW! THIS DUDE IS MISS INFORMED, I LIVE IN LAS VEGAS, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE ONE LANDING IN SALT LAKE CITY TOMORROW WILL BE BRENNAN MARION.

      • 12/01/2024 at 9:58 AM #235701
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        jshame17
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        Oh, I’m seeing Marion to Florida…🤷🏻‍♂️

        • 12/01/2024 at 10:07 AM #235702
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          2008 National Champ
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          you mean planes from Vegas can go more places than just Salt Lake? that can’t be true

      • 12/01/2024 at 11:51 AM #235704
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        RoboUte
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        I live on the plane and Brennan Marion is taking a car

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