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Why would an OC who has designed a fast-paced offense want to coach under Whitt?

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    • #235896
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      ProudUte
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      I love Whitt, but if I was an OC who believed in a fast-paced offense, I would not want to coach under Whitt.

      The word on the street (I cannot say that I know this) is that Arbuckle was interested in coaching with Scalley and starting something new at Utah. However, he felt/learned that Whitt has decided to stay. So …

    • #235897
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      jshame17
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      There is a LOT that would have to play out of what you’re saying is true.

      For starters, that would tell me that Whitt and Scalley are not in the same page and that Scalley would have to have been having side conversations behind Whitts back.

      Possible, by highly unlikely.

      That would also suggest that Whitt is in fact not allowing Scalley to be driving this situation and hire as suggested and NEEDED.

      I can believe this honestly.

      That also excludes the amount of money and opportunity coaching in the SEC would provide that maybe we can’t.

      Oklahoma is still a much bigger name and opportunity, despite what we all may think.

    • #235899
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      PNWUte29
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      Whoever they hire just needs to improve QB play lol it shouldn’t be that hard after what we’ve witnessed the last 2 years. They also need to act quickly due to signing day coming up…so some urgency would be nice.

      • #235904
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        ProudUte
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        Agreed

      • #235906
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        China Rider
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        Urgency and Utah’s offense? Of course you’re right. Some urgency would be nice

      • #235909
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        ProudUte
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        Yes, the SEC has more money. But, as I did with my own career – (a long time ago) I took less money for a job that I thought would be best for my future.

        An OC could be very interested in an opportunity to start something new with a new head coach. It could be very good for his career if he delivers. Also, Utah pays its coordinators very well. I suspect OK would pay more, but not enough to live in Oklahoma. 🙂

        I’m sorry – if I was an up-and-coming OC, coaching for Whitt and his style would not appeal to me. I would want to coach at a place where I had the freedom to be creative, fast-paced, take chances, etc.

        • #235912
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          EagleMountainUte
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          I think Utah’s current coaching situation could be unappealing for a lot of coordinators. Let’s be honest any idiot is going to come in and “improve” Utah for 2025 and you have to watch for 2026 to see the real sauce. Mainly because the floor is so low on the offense after 2023 and 2024. Whitt hasn’t exactly propelled his coordinators to head coaching positions on the offensive side of the ball.

          Utah should overpay or you roll the dice on a potential idiot. That is just the current situation as I see it. Honestly they overpaid for Ludwig who needs to get on his knees for Rising.

          • #235915
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            China Rider
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            That’s it in a nutshell. I agree with everything you say there from the personal to the football.

            • #235936
              USS Utah
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              Other than Troy Taylor who left to be an FCS HC after 1 season and who is now the HC at Stanford.

              • #235937
                EagleMountainUte
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                Flip phone offense? Haha yeah I guess you could say that. I don’t know if Taylor put that on his resume.

              • #235942
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                Utah
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                I think everyone knows that Troy Taylor is a HC in spite of Whitt, not because of Whitt.

    • #235903
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      Utah
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      There is zero chance an uptempo OC would want to coach with Whitt.

      If Whitt is our HC, it doesn’t matter who we hire as OC. We know what our offense will look like.

    • #235905
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      EagleMountainUte
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      My assumption with no evidence other than what usually happens…Arbuckle used Utah to leverage Oklahoma for more money.

      • #235908
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        Anfernee
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        Yes. And he’ll be an OC for a blue blood program, in the SEC, while also making more money. And his family is in Texas.

        • #235911
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          EagleMountainUte
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          Or Utah didn’t want to pay the price. It could have been steep to draw him away. I don’t think it was just one reason.

    • #235910
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      Caliman
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      The reason why Ficklin committed so quickly, is because he was assured that Marion was on his way, Utah is just keeping it quite.

    • #235914
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      Roy Rangum
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      Proud, I heard the same thing. Not sure if it’s true, but if it is true, it’s very disheartening.

    • #235916
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      The Miami Ute
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      I see a lot of people commenting about money, opportunity, etc…lest we forget, in Andy Ludwig Utah had the second highest paid offensive coordinator in the nation, making what some OCs in the SEC and B1G make look like chump change. Money is not the issue here. Guaranteed that if Utah wanted Arbuckle and Arbuckle wanted Utah, that deal would have been made and Utah could have outbid Oklahoma.

    • #235917
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      2008 National Champ
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      The timing on the OC announcement is usually an indicator. Arbuckle’s team didn’t have anything to play for this week and he wasn’t go to stay for a bowl. Same with Kittley (Texas Tech) going to FAU or Malzahn to FSU.

      That would indicate one of two things: 1) Utah’s OC hire is at a G5 playing a CCG this weekend (Vegas, Boise, Tulane, Army, Western Kentucky, Jax State, Miami of Ohio, Ohio, Marshall, Louisiana Lafayette), or 2) Whitt truly hasn’t made a decision as to his future yet and that needs to be made before the OC decision

      Our “insider” network seems to think the deal is done so I’m leaning towards option 1 and that the delay is a courtesy to teams that have something to play for right now. And I would assume that recruits know and have been asked to keep quiet so that they still commit tomorrow

    • #235918
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      Trailgoat
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      I can understand why an up and coming OC in their right mind is not going to risk their career coaching under KW while he’s day to day on retirement plan trying to go out with a feel good season. KW’s track record with OCs spanning 20 years has to be a factor. The only OC basically keeping KW with a winning P12 record walked out the door mid-season. Seems more plausible now Ludwig left on his own, but who knows. Take away Ludwig’s 3 years good in the P12, minus Covid, Utah is 41-49 in 10 seasons with a swinging door of OCs and weird Co-OCs back to the MWC days. Proud’s post makes sense to me. I would argue the OU job is more volatile than Utah regardless of the $. Brent Venable is on a very hot seat at OU. Venable’s OU conference record is 10-12, 2-6 first year in the SEC. Interesting times ahead for Utah football. Go Utes!

      • #235920
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        Utah
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        Oklahoma feels like the next Nebraska. Great history, top dog of their small, s**tty conference, leave for a new conference and can’t get back to the top.

        If you’re a recruit, and Oklahoma and Nebraska offer you, why would you go there over Ohio State, Michigan, Penn St, Alabama, Texas, A&M, Auburn, LSU, etc?

    • #235919
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      Red Rhino
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      The biggest problem with Whittingham in regards to offense was that he did not believe the offensive woes were his fault. How do we know he didn’t believe the mistakes were his fault you say? Because he has fired 8 offensive coordinators in his tenure, but the offense basically looked the same no matter which OC came in. This indicates that there was no penitence nor any “seeing the light” from Whittingham. Unless he goes, it will not change and it will be very difficult to attract any offensive coaches or players to the team.

      • #235924
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        2008 National Champ
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        realistically though, if you were Whitt would you change the way you do business? National Coach of the year, 4 straight CCG’s.,, all the reasons the keep Whitt crowd trumpets are the same reasons Whitt follows his formula.

        Saban realizing that if he wanted to have a chance at the NC every year meant that he needed to embrace offense is an anomaly. Most long time coaches keep doing what made them long time coaches. And until 2024, there hasn’t been a time in the last decade where there was a real argument for Whitt changing.

        • #235943
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          Utah
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          This is tough. I get why Whitt doesn’t change. He makes millions of dollars a year, he gets to live around his family, etc, etc, etc.

          To make a drastic change on the offensive side of the ball…it’s risky. Sure, you can win a big time bowl game, maybe even a national championship. BUT, if you lose more…well, this is a fickle job and fans and boosters will turn on you quick (and they should. Get out of here with this “he’s earned the right to leave on his own terms…” Bulls**t. He’s made tens of millions. As long as you ask boosters and fans to pay more and more and more every year, they have every right to turn quickly on him. This isn’t the 1980’s where the coach is making a teacher’s salary and does it for the love of the game. If Whitt is going to take that much money, then has earned all the praise and criticism that comes with it and it’s not fair to let him “leave on his own terms” and make fans watch the team get worse and worse while charging the fans more and more for the privilege.)

          Back to the topic:

          Whitt knows that he can win 8+ games a year with his style. He probably won’t win it all, but he will stay employed and keep cashing checks. To change the offense is to risk it all. He loses his job, he has to move to the south or the northeast and take over a new program, away from kids, etc, etc, etc.

          I get why he doesn’t want to do that.

          And I get that moving on from him is risky. There is a good…hell a great chance that Scalley is worse than Whitt.

          But why not try? Why be happy with a team ranked 20-35 at the end of the year? Why not try to be better?

        • #235951
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          Red Rhino
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          If Whittingham had the attitude of why change things when it’s working, then why did he fire 8 offensive coordinators? Obviously, he thought there was a problem with the offense, but it wasn’t with him.

    • #235947
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      pedro
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      Proud, you’re a better man than to post drivel in this way.

      Fact is he interviewed knowing the situation and was seriously contemplating it. OU is closer to home, gives him a higher profile, same salary and additional incentive cash. But let’s not let facts stand in our narratives way.

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