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Conjecture: Why the Utah coaches may have been willing to let Tanuvasa go…

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    • 12/23/2024 at 4:09 PM #238970
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      Ute Dub
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      You had players grading at the same level as he was…at least according to PFF Grades. I snipped this from my PFF Grades account. Don’t get me wrong, this one hurts…but it may be something the coaches didn’t value paying him above a certain level.

      Tanuvasa

      So, if Tanuvasa was demanding compensation above fair value, then Utah might have been willing to go with Vimahi (assume he’ll get a medical redshirt), Vakalahi (started 3 games as a true freshman), and other players.

      The toughest part about Tanuvasa’s departure is that it’s late in the process. Pepa had left, Piland Jr. hand left, and Tanuvasa had already committed to staying. Utah is left holding its dingaling when players leave this late in the process.

    • 12/23/2024 at 4:30 PM #238972
      jshame17
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      All the ones highlighted are gone…. Right?

      • 12/23/2024 at 4:59 PM #238977
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        Ute Dub
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        No. Vimahi coming back, Vakalahi coming back. Tafuna Graduating, Tanuvasa in Portal.

    • 12/23/2024 at 4:45 PM #238976
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      UteBaron89
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      I think this is more about a player agreeing to a certain number of $, making a commitment, and the coaches moving on to the next task. All the while, the player is fielding more offers and gets a better one. I think the U is in a place where if you agree to a deal, they won’t negotiate with you further. They feel your word is your bond and if they were to renegotiate two weeks later, it opens the floodgates to every player on the roster renegotiating theirs. They’re trusting that players will live up to their commitment they literally just made, and if they don’t, the U says the origianl offer is the offer, wishes you luck, and moves on.

      • 12/23/2024 at 5:24 PM #238979
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        MFury
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        OP indicates our coaching staff is playing moneyball in NCAA football. I am a huge Whittingham fan, but I don’t think he has made that leap.

        Hell, I think Saban decided to retire instead of learning moneyball

        • 12/23/2024 at 10:10 PM #238995
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          pedro
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          Reality is Whit is working with a limited amount of funds. You see our AD was busy trying to increase our revenue in dimes from our fans, when he should have been working the philanthropist for dollars. Now we’re scrambling to make up our loses and it won’t happen this year, or even next. To be frank, may not happen until we get a new AD and\or president

          • 12/24/2024 at 8:30 AM #239003
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            Utesbyfive
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            How do you know this about Harlan? What’s your source of information?

          • 12/24/2024 at 9:13 AM #239006
            Jim Vanderhoof
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            Good post Pedro. Whitt has limited funds and has to divide the money between a lot of players. They evaluate the players and pay is based on value to the program. They can’t over pay (Rising) or someone else gets shorted. Salary caps keep NFL and NBA competitive. MLB has a similar problem with no cap. Until there is an equal playing field we will be average at best.

            • 12/24/2024 at 12:01 PM #239040
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              Uteanooga
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              The NBA salary cap keeps the league sort of competitive. How many of the past 20 years have you felt that the Jazz were competitive?

              There is no way to regulate endorsement money and no sane person would take a long position on the Jazz over the Lakers.

              The salary cap does help though- no doubt. A similar structure would give Utah football a good opportunity to punch above its weight as it did in the P12. The problem is going to be forcing more lucrative programs to share.

              I am not going to hold my breath.

              • 12/24/2024 at 1:43 PM #239056
                Ute Dub
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                The NBA works great with rookies. You invest a high round draft pick and you get them for at least 3 years. Not so in college football. You can break your back recruiting a kid from his sophomore year, get him on campus, and still lose him. What a waste of time and energy.

            • 12/24/2024 at 6:04 PM #239069
              Utesbyfive
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              Absolutely the best analogy. This is MLB writ large. Whitt and Harlan have to be Billy Bean to compete.

        • 12/24/2024 at 9:33 AM #239012
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          DataUte
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          Don’t we have a GM now? Not sure it is this guy, but most programs now have a GM between the AD and FB HC/staff to manage this stuff. But there could absolutely be a disconnect (technically, the coaches shouldn’t be involved in NIL, but they have to be).

          GM of Player Personnel

      • 12/23/2024 at 5:24 PM #238980
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        10-4…the somewhat ok news is that you still have guys in the program that graded as high as he did, or pretty close.

    • 12/23/2024 at 7:32 PM #238984
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      lgt4141
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      It sucks but based on “analytics” it sounds like he was asking for more than his market value.

      After the Cam Rising NIL saga do any of us want a player paid over market value. If Utah has really gone moneyball that makes the departures even more interesting

      • 12/24/2024 at 9:34 AM #239013
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        DataUte
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        Many schools are starting to ‘slot’ certain positions into the budget and I think the best way is to then offer incentives based on performance that you collect after the season. But if another school comes in with an exception or has a different approach (spend more to poach), then it’s a hard game to play and not zero sum.

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