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    • #240316
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      UteManX
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      some more byu tampering going on, and this is from a staff member at byu. Snowden currently makes $500,000 in NIL and byu is offering $1,000,000 to transfer after the school year. His dad told him why wouldn’t you transfer for double the money, and I agree. Why wouldn’t anyone try to double their income by moving to a new job? Is it worth it for Utah to match that and hope he stays? would he even stay? Will the Ncaa ever step in when teams are blatantly tampering and meddling.

    • #240317
      TheNuschler
      Participant

      I’d move jobs to double my salary and currently at the best job of my life, even commute to Provo. Just sayin’.

    • #240319
      China Rider
      Participant

      Good for the kids who can garner such a fortune. I do wonder what the money people expect for a return on these high profile investments which are so short term and to be able to then turn around and do it again. That kind of disposable cash boggles this simple mind. School pride? Tax write offs? For Kicks? A better perch at the game? Notoriety and ego?

    • #240321
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      Kellso
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      Let’s put tamper proof lids on them. They’ll never figure it out.

    • #240322
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      Rick Walker
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      Is he valued at more than $1mil based on play? I don’t think so (but it’s not my job to decide). But if tspp wants to pay him that much they can f**k themselves in doing so

      • #240323
        Tednab
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        Sure take it out of whits paycheck.

    • #240324
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      AlohaUte
      Participant

      This is the reality of the current environment. Utah will flounder if we can’t compete on NIL. BYU appears to have the advantage because they’ve got a few billionaires allegedly backing them. I won’t hate on em for it. I hate the game, but can’t blame them for taking advantage of it.

    • #240325
      AlohaUte
      Participant

      This is the reality of the current environment. Utah will flounder if we can’t compete on NIL. BYU appears to have the advantage because they’ve got a few billionaires allegedly backing them. I won’t hate on em for it. I hate the game, but can’t blame them for taking advantage of it.

      • #240327
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        KJU
        Participant

        You can say that again.

    • #240328
      RoboUte
      Participant

      If this is public knowledge why isn’t there any recourse if it’s tampering?

    • #240329
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      krindor
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      Here’s why the extra money to go to BYU isn’t as obvious a choice as you might think

      Last 20 years of Utah DBs (i.e. Snowden’s lifetime)

      1. Eric Weddle, 2nd Round Pick, 14 years, 5x All-Pro, 6x Pro Bowl, 115 AV
      2. Sean Smith, 2nd Round Pick, 9 years, 47 AV
      3. Brice McCain, 6th Round Pick, 9 years, 21 AV
      4. Robert Johnson, 5th Round Pick, 2 years, 2 AV
      5. R.J. Stanford, 7th Round Pick, 4 years, 4 AV
      6. Brandon Burton, 5th Round Pick, 4 years, 1 AV
      7. Keith McGill, 4th Round Pick, 4 years, 4 AV
      8. Eric Rowe, 2nd Round Pick, 9 years, 24 AV
      9. Dominique Hatfield, UDFA, 2 years, 1 AV
      10. Marcus Williams, 2nd Round Pick, 8+ years, 39+ AV
      11. Brian Allen, 5th Round Pick, 4 years, 1 AV
      12. Marquise Blair, 2nd Round Pick, 4 years, 2 AV
      13. Jaylon Johnson, 2nd Round Pick, 5+ years, 1x+ All-Pro, 2x+ Pro Bowl, 31+ AV
      14. Julian Blackmon, 3rd Round Pick, 5+ years, 22+ AV
      15. Terrell Burgess, 3rd Round Pick, 4 years, 3 AV
      16. Javelin Guidry, UDFA, 3 years, 2 AV
      17. Clark Phillips, 4th Round Pick, 2+ years, 4+ AV
      18. Cole Bishop, 2nd Round Pick, 1+ years, 2+ AV
      19. Sione Vaki, 4th Round Pick, 1+ years, 1+ AV

      And BYU’s last 20 years

      1. Dan Sorensen, UDFA, 10 years, 23 AV
      2. Kai Nacua, UDFA, 3 years, 2 AV
      3. Michael Davis, UDFA, 8+ years, 28+ AV
      4. Zayne Anderson, UDFA, 4+ years, 2+ AV

      Now to their credit, several undrafted BYU DBs have done well, but Utah has a MUCH stronger history at the position. You have to go back to 1993 to find the last time a BYU DB was drafted.

      There’s definitely positions where I’d be more inclined to trust BYU’s development. DB is most definitely not one of them. Even with Hill there, not until I see it. If it’s about my career, I’m going to trust proven results over strong hopes

      • #240331
        RoboUte
        Participant

        Wow. It’s a damn shame we can’t pass.

      • #240337
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        Jim Vanderhoof
        Participant

        Thanks kindor. I think the tds finally got tired of playing second fiddle. They want to feel relevant again. They can bend the rules and buy their way in to success. As I spend more and more time at the Huntsman cancer hospital I realize how grateful I am that our big boosters (Huntsman and Eccles)spent their fortunes to help all of society and not a few 18 year olds playing football for a couple years. NIL money could be used to help so many in need. Paying entitled kids a million dollars a year and a free education doesn’t work for me. If I was a shark on shark tank I would say” I’m out”

    • #240330
      krindor
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      Duplicate Post. Removed

    • #240332
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      The Miami Ute
      Participant

      If this is true, and Utah doesn’t come close to significantly matching the BYU offer, then I don’t really see a pathway for Snowden to stay with the Utes. No one in their right mind turns down a job in the same geographical location paying double the wages UNLESS they have sincere philosophical differences with their prospective future employer.

      For a guy like me, BYU could offer me a trillion dollars and I’d still tell them to go p**s up a rope because I wouldn’t feel comfortable in such an LDS-exclusive environment.

    • #240333
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      Tman
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      Is this story really true About Snowden?

    • #240334
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      Utah#1
      Participant

      BYU’s main objective is destroy Utah. I’ve heard stories like this before. IMO as a religious school, they’ve sold their souls to the devil for money. I believe sooner or later, what goes around comes around, usually 10 times worse. They bragged in the media all day long about their billionaire money and didn’t care that they were intentionally going out of their way to target their rivals players regardless if it seemed unethical or immoral doing it anyway with not a care in the world and denying any accusations of tampering when it clearly is just so they’re not labeled or looked at as criminals. IMO, the portal and NIL is not sustainable and will ultimately come crashing down hard and fast! Could take all of college football down with it

    • #240336
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      Red Rhino
      Participant

      This is dumb.

      First, the PAC 12 dissolves for money and we have to join the same conference as TSPP.

      Second, we all drink the Koolaid, then go on to have two of the most painful years I can remember, filled with injuries and inexcusable coaching.

      Third, we have a football landscape where just when you get to know and like a player, he is purchased out from underneath you.

      Fourth, we now have to watch as our most despised rival comes into money and comes after the players we discovered, developed, and emotionally invested in.

      Fifth, costs have gone up for tickets and viewing platforms.

      If I have to watch TSPP rise at our expense, it may be too much for me. This is really testing my threshold for pain.

    • #240338
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      Tednab
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      If true why didn’t he leave during the last portal? Seems like he would have been more of a priority than Tanuvasa ? Ohio St nil was at 20 mil, allegedly that’s the going rate for a natty.. 22 starting players on a team .. breaking down each position being the most important QB , rising pulled 1 to 1.5 million , give or take .. so what’s Snowden’s value ?… if 20 mil is the going rate .. which seems low in the grand scheme of stupid money being throw out there .. this number shouldn’t be impossible to obtain.. little bit of summer elbow grease should do it .. summer car washes with the sorority girls and whitts calves should get us close ..besides whit and harlan still owes back pay for the last two seasons.

      • #240340
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        Virginia Ute
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        Now they’re saying ohios budget was more like 30 million, but your point still stands.

        From a Snowden standpoint, I think Utah has to match to set a precedent that this won’t keep happening. Only thing that worries me there is if the match causes discord in the locker room with NIL discrepancies (again).

    • #240339
      highlandute7
      Participant

      Who else will they come after when spring semester ends? I doubt it will be just Snowden.

      • #240341
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        Tednab
        Participant

        Everyone .. they’re like China, why do the work when you can just steal your rivals work .. they didn’t do much during this round , but I suspect they’ll go hard in April ; if dates even matter anymore .. this is outside of whitts wheel house, U needs a proven nfl or nba GM at this point

    • #240343
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      Utes 69
      Participant

      good chance this is my last year of college sports, NIL has ruined it. time to find new hobbies!

      • #240344
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        The Miami Ute
        Participant

        You can just stick to professional sports. I’m leaning in that direction myself.

        • #240347
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          stonguse
          Participant

          Yeah, if this isn’t resolved in some meaningful way soon then I’m gonna bail. I’m quickly losing interest in college sports.

    • #240346
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      SteelUte
      Participant

      Why not go after their guys?! They want to play dirty- let’s out dirty them. Go after their biggest playmaker? Or raise the prices on their nil donors.

      • #240348
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        Jim Vanderhoof
        Participant

        Go after LJ Martin and even if you don’t get him they will have to pay up to keep him. Good point steel. As my dad would “give them a taste of their own medicine”. Go after the non LDS players on the premise they could have a normal college experience.

    • #240349
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      AZUTE
      Participant

      Utah pays market value. They have a policy of not overpaying and it not because they don’t have it. Utah’s NIL fund is in the top half of the Big12.

      BYU on the other hand will way over pay to get players especially if they come from Utah.

      Over paying players creates discord between players and between players and coaches and boosters.

      Utah just needs to point out to Snowden he’ll make a lot more in the nfl after playing at Utah than he will after one year at byu.

      BYU has zero player development and he’d be hurting his draft stock by going there. He’s stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.

      • #240350
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        Jim Vanderhoof
        Participant

        Good points. Isn’t there an independent source that sets player values based on position and past performance? If I have 5 employees doing the same job and one makes double the other 4 that creates issues.

      • #240353
        EagleMountainUte
        Participant

        That may be true but he could injured in a training camp a day into his first NFL job. The business many times is to take dollars now regardless. I don’t fault him at all or think any less of someone choosing the dollars.

    • #240351
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      Minnesota Ute
      Participant

      I did that once in my career, wasn’t quite double but it was nearly a 70% increase, and within one year I was on the cusp of cracking 6 figures. I wasn’t even 30 years old yet, so it was pretty exciting. But after 18 months, I left to return to my prior company for a different, not nearly as good of a position for a 20% pay cut because I was f’ing miserable. Yes, I ended up better at my old company than when I left salary-wise, but it’s hard to say what would have happened had I stayed because I was never again as happy as I was before I left. Also there were opportunities that I missed out on because even after I returned to the company, I was no longer in the same line of progression. Moral of the story, at least for me, is the money was not worth the misery.

      • #240352
        China Rider
        Participant

        Ever so true. The lessons we learn at the school of hard knocks but we all know you can talk to a kid until you are blue in the face and they will do just the opposite.

        • #240358
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          Minnesota Ute
          Participant

          The interesting part of the story is that I had to make the decision on a Monday. On the Saturday night before, the wife and I did an analysis of Stay vs Go. We wrote in the margin everything we could think of, house, neighborhood, job, church, friends, town, money, etc. etc. We ranked them all 1-10, and at the end of the list when we totaled them up, Go had 10 points and it was all $$$. The next morning in church I was sitting in the pew praying on it, and when I opened the program the sermon was titled “Be Careful What You Abandon”. I remember nudging my wife and pointing to the program, and we both kind of chuckled at the “coincidence”.

          To this day, I wish I had saved that list and that program. I also always think of that experience in terms of the story of Pharoh and the lord “hardening his heart”. That was always a hang up of mine when I was a kid, why would he do that? He could soften it just as easy and let them all go. But sometimes you just have to learn the hard way or the lesson doesn’t stick…

      • #240354
        BD
        Participant

        I have had two similar experiences. Both times I left a company strictly for an increase in pay. Both times I didn’t care if the working conditions and responsibilities would make me happier. Both times I was miserable and regretted the decision.

        On another occasion, I left a company that included a nice salary increase, but that wasn’t the primary reason for switching companies. The type of work I was going to do and the skills I would use would be a net gain. It ended up being one of the best career decisions I ever made, and I was very happy there.

        The moral to my story is that yes, gaining an increase in pay can certainly be an important factor in making major career moves, but they better come with an increase in happiness in other things, and those other things need to be the priority.

    • #240360
      UteButters
      Participant

      At the end of the day who cares? Give me guys who want to be a Ute! If Snowden wants to go to BYU for extra money then so be it! Snowden won’t fix their O line or D line which is by far their biggest area of need going into next year.

      With or without Snowden, Utah will have a top 25 defense …

      The issues for Utah falls completely on their health! If they have a healthy year i expect Utah to be in contention come November!

      The issue with Utah last year was QB play … and the fact that one of Utahs captain was negotiating with our rival for more NIL. Yep, before the season even ended! Give me dudes who are bought in and want to be here!

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