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Holladay Ute
ParticipantI guess we’ll never know, but I think Utah probably made a mistake when they fired Coach K. Maybe not, but consider what probably would’ve been our roster if we gave him one more year:
Timmy Allen – Ended up being probably the second or third best player for Texas (who went to the Round of 32 + Elite 8). Pro in Europe now.
Alfonso Plummer – Ended up being the second best player for Illinois (who co-won the Big Ten and went to the Round of 32). Pro in Europe now.
Branden Carlson – We know what he did for the Utes. Currently a two-way player on the NBA’s best team. Mostly gets garbage time, but he’s earning his place in the NBA.
Mikael Jantunen – Pro in Europe now. Plays for Finland’s national team (and is one of their best players).
Pelle Larsson – Ended up being one of Arizona’s better players (and they were obviously winning the Pac-12 and a regular tournament team). Earned a roster spot and a legit contract in the NBA.
Ian Martinez – Currently Utah State’s best player. Highly likely to make the tournament.
Mason Falslev – Currently Utah State’s second best player. Never played for Utah, but was a Coach K recruit.
Lazar Stefanovic – UCLA’s 7th man right now. Was one of their key guys on last year’s bad team, but now he’s just a role player. They’re pretty good this year, but not awesome. If I remember right, he was a Coach K recruit.Look at the amount of talent he accumulated. Criticize him all you want for the results, but he definitely had an eye for talent/potential and knew how to recruit it to Salt Lake City.
It’s too bad Coach K wasn’t a better coach. He didn’t ever seem very good in-game. And it seems like his teams never reached their potential. He should have done better w/ the talent he was able to recruit. Specifically thinking of Wright, Poeltl, and Kuzma where we only got one Sweet 16 + one Round of 32 appearance = arguably more of a disappointment considering the impact and longevity those guys have had in the NBA.
Anyway, I would’ve loved to see one more year w/ the roster Coach K assembled above. Obviously, it took some time for a handful of those players to develop (Larsson, Martinez, Falslev). On paper and in hindsight, it looks like we had a team that would’ve made the tournament (and who knows what else) if we’d have given it one more year.
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TomahawkCruise
ParticipantI thought Larry should’ve gotten at least one more season when he was fired after 2020-21 and I was one of the minority voices with that opinion among Utah fans. Many fans had lost patience with him and wanted to move on, and didn’t seem to realize we might get a coach who was even worse.
Looking back, I still think Larry should have had one more season, but I’m more convinced now that he was in decline and probably wouldn’t have done much with that extra season. It was probably right to move on when we did.
I’ve had my frustrations with Coach Smith this year, but I think he’s probably at least as good as Larry K was. Their trajectory at Utah is similar: crappy first season followed by improvement and NIT in their 3rd year. Larry made the NCAA Tournament in year four and it doesn’t seem like Smith will match that. But I think there’s a good chance Utah will get a bid for the NIT or CBC this year.
I’m all for replacing Smith if a great candidate is there to take over. If not, I’d prefer to stick with Smith.
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PhiladelphiaUte
ParticipantAdmittedly, I don’t really care too much about basketball (college or NBA), but I liked Krystkowiak, and thought his termination was premature. That said, I believe that there was a cancer in the locker room, and I’m not sure how much he had to do with that. I don’t know if he was personally the primary reason why all those recruits couldn’t transfer out of SLC fast enough, or if he was just negligible in not determining which [of the] player(s) was/were, and rooting him/them out. But either way, I think that was the root of his biggest failure while on the Hill.
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The Miami Ute
ParticipantNo disrespect, but the only people that can say that Coach K was deserving of another year are those that didn’t live the experience. Coach K’s last few years with the team were as bad an anything we’ve seen from Smith albeit with a more athletic crew. It’s telling that, either due to burnout or a loss of interest in the game, Coach K essentially went into retirement after leaving Utah while still relatively a young man. Oh, and to the OP, Lazar Stefanovic was a bum in Utah and he’s been a bum at UCLA. He’s essentially a foreign Hunter Erickson…just a guy.
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Holladay Ute
ParticipantWell, I’ve been a season ticket holder for 15 years (including the last year or two of Boylen) so I think I lived the whole experience and then some. I grew up going to the Majerus games w/ my dad. The best coach we’ve had since Majerus was Coach K.
I agree, we were underperforming w/ good talent, it felt like Coach K was possibly checked out, guys were transferring out every year, and we were on a clear decline. Firing him definitely felt like the right move at the time. I know we have the benefit of hindsight at this point, but based on what Coach Smith has done I don’t feel like it would’ve hurt us to give Coach K another season w/ what was a better overall roster of talent than anything Coach Smith has produced. Stefanovic was decent for Utah. I’m not saying he was a great talent, but he would’ve been a good guy off the bench to support all the other clearly great college players that Coach K had on the outgoing roster.
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The Miami Ute
ParticipantJust my opinion…if you look at Coach K’s trajectory at Utah, the team was getting progressively worse every season after the departure of Wright and Poetl. His tenure here was a sinking ship and, just looking at his body language during games, you definitely got the impression that A. He’d much rather be somewhere else doing something else and B. He was hanging on because of how lucrative his contract was. And, again just my opinion, I firmly believe that atmosphere negatively affected the team. In his last few seasons, the Utes were as good or worse than Smith’s teams but with much better talent. Keeping him for an additional year would have been an exercise in futility and a disservice to the fans.
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TomahawkCruise
ParticipantYeah, the fact he retired after sucking Utah’s paychecks dry (which is something the vast majority of fired coaches do NOT do) is probably telling. I was very surprised when I saw he’d retired. I fully expected him to move onto another college program after having a somewhat successful run at Utah. He was apparently happy to be retired and let Utah pay for the first few years of it.
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chinngiskhaan
ParticipantNo no no. Absolutely not. The man was not a good basketball coach. The fact that we may have hired the wrong guy in Smith does not make firing Krstkowi-hack wrong. Do you remember our offenses under Krystowiak? Dribble the air out of the ball, pass around the wing, chuck up a shot at the last second and hope it goes in. It was like watching paint dry. The only time it wasn’t like that was when he lucked out recruiting two solid NBA players that nobody else knew anything about. (delon and Poeltl).
Our current offense is much more fun to watch. Mike does a pretty good job of penetrating and finding open guys. Smith is a much better offensive coach. His problem is he can’t seem to sell anyone on the idea of playing for the Utes, in a mostly empty arena, which is NOT Smith’s fault.
If anything, Krystkowiak should have been fired a year earlier. I realize that wasn’t really feasible with his awful contract, but he should have been let go BEFORE the wheels fell off the program, not after.
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The Miami Ute
ParticipantI remember having conversations with you about this issue on “Block U.”. Coach K was definitely fired a year or two too late because of that anchor contract extension Chris Hill gave him. I remember that everyone’s minds were boggled seeing the product on the floor and knowing that Coach K was one of the highest paid college basketball coaches in the nation.
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TomahawkCruise
ParticipantSadly, you kind of have to do that if you sense a great coach and want to keep him happy. Dr Hill, however, was badly mistaken on what he thought was an elite coach.
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TomahawkCruise
ParticipantI won’t go into the arena thing again
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Tony (admin)
KeymasterNo.
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Kellso
ParticipantHow many of those players were already on their way out? The offense coach K ran was hard to watch. I think Smith could have a very good program with more talent. The players play harder in his system than any coach since Big Rick.
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Holladay Ute
ParticipantThis is a good point and I agree w/ it. Although, none of those players transferred until after Coach K was fired. It’s too bad Coach Smith couldn’t convince any of them to stick around. Maybe we could’ve had a year or two of the best of both worlds (good recruiting + decent coaching).
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Charlie
ParticipantThis is the answer… The players should have stayed after coach K was let go.
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TomahawkCruise
ParticipantHe got Battin to stick around but that didn’t help. Allen, Larsson and Plummer were the ones to keep.
Oh, he also got BC to stay. Although he probably would have stayed no matter who the coach was. Wish we had more players like him.
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Jim Vanderhoof
ParticipantCoach K got burned out. The program was stagnant and his “old school” offense and style didn’t resonate with the up coming players. Recruiting is everything. Coach K had NBA experience and connections that helped him recruit. Smith doesn’t offer anything to attract top talent.
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Utes 69
Participantno, Smith either!
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Utopia
ParticipantOne interesting connection between K’s last season and this season is Caleb Lohner, who was a Freshman in 20-21.
I had wondered if Lohner had not flipped to TDS, would he have made enough of a difference to result in a record that might have saved K’s job for another season. The 20-21 team’s regular season record was 11-12 with 8 of those losses being within 9 pts. That team’s frontcourt lineup was Allen, Carlson, Jantunen, Battin. Lohner averaged a solid 7pts 7reb (24mpg) in his Freshman season on a good TDS team (19-5) that made the tourney, which indicates he was a productive role player, especially defensively. If half of Utah’s <9pt losses are flipped, that puts them at 15-8 – decent/good, not great. Enough to save K’s job for another year? Possibly…but I doubt it would have been enough to change the growing sentiment that he had stagnated, had a concerning trend of losing key players every year, and that fans were ready for a change.
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TomahawkCruise
ParticipantI’ve been wondering for months how the hell we got Lohner to come back. He seemed to be really turned off by Utah when he flipped to BYU and I thought that would be forever. I was stunned when I saw he was transferring here to play football and hoops.
He’s no scoring juggernaut, but he plays HARD and he’s tough as a mule. I love Caleb as a Ute and I wish he could return next year.
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UteThunder
ParticipantNo. The amount of guys transferring out of the program every year was a HUGE problem. He was losing 25-50% of his rosters just to transfers, and that was before the transfer portal became a thing.
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