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    • #241476
      Utes 69
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      I listened to the Josh Grant podcast, he had a lot of good info, the only thing I disagree with is the statement that Alex Jensen is the only person in the whole wide world to turn the program around! there are several young energized coaches that would fill the roll just fine,

    • #241478
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      Minnesota Ute
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      By him saying that, I had to conclude that this is already a done deal. Otherwise why go out on that limb dragging the rest of the program with him.

      The last thing a prospective new coach wants to hear is a Utah legend saying in essence, any hire that isn’t Alex is a disappointment and will fail. He also was highly critical of Craig for not allowing alumni to ‘help him’. What person would take a high pressure job upon hearing that a bunch of people from the outside are going to tell him how to do his job and if he doesn’t listen he will be fired and summarily excoriated openly in the media.

      He also said at one point “If the decision can be announced sooner…”, not decision made, not candidate found, not if the search goes quickly, so…

      My conclusion is it’s done, or Josh did us no favors and would have been much better off keeping his trap closed (as much as a love him for some of the best bball watching years of my life).

    • #241484
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      Jim Vanderhoof
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      You bring some good points Minnesota. I think the biggest disconnect with Smith was recruiting and style of play not actual coaching. You can’t tell me there isn’t any local players the last couple years that aren’t better than Little and Erickson. Smith just recruits talent but some don’t fit his system. The most successful past coaches had a system and recruited players to fill roles in that system. That’s why the turnovers are so high.

      • #241485
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        The Miami Ute
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        Jim, I always said that if the Utes could find a guy that recruited like Coach K and coached like Smith, they’d be an eternal presence at the Dance. Unfortunately, those guys are extremely hard to find.

        • #241488
          Jim Vanderhoof
          Participant

          Yes NBA ties matter in recruiting Miami. Coach K had them Smith doesn’t. No point guard and lack of athleticism has been the Achilles heal of Smith. His recruiting and playing style doesn’t fit a P4 conference. Smith should have listened to the past players 4 years ago. If it’s true he rejected Millers offer to help coach he deserves to be fired. How can you refuse help from one of the greatest point guards of all time when that position has been a bust in his tenure?

          • #241501
            Rick
            Participant

            Jim,
            He didn’t even return Miller’s calls offering his services. Smith had an assistant finally return the call after Andre had called a few times over several weeks.

            • #241502
              Jim Vanderhoof
              Participant

              That’s unbelievable to me. I would have reached out to Andre if I was Smith. My sympathy for Smith is fading fast.

    • #241489
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      GunthersRevenge
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      I agree with some of the comments that it kind of seems like it’s a done deal to hire Jensen. It seems like a major factor in the hiring decision this go around is booster support. Not sure if this is accurate, but lots of talk that the boosters had turned against Smith. In my opinion, not too many candidates would get the boosters and some fans more re-engaged than Jensen, especially if Andre Miller also got brought in as an assistant.

      • #241495
        Jim Vanderhoof
        Participant

        Jeff Johnson said on DJ and PK that Miller didn’t want to be head coach but wanted to help out. Why wouldn’t you find a spot for him? He is close friends with Jensen. Wouldn’t it be amazing to get both!!

        • #241506
          Minnesota Ute
          Participant

          I dare say that parts of my anatomy respond favorably to that idea…

      • #241496
        Minnesota Ute
        Participant

        Someone else brought up a good point that as a job at a state university, they have to create the vacancy (aka fire smith) then post the position and interview applicants that are qualified. There may be some EEOC boxes to check as well. I’m not sure how true that is or what the requirements are exactly, but that sounds like it could be the reason that, while it is a done deal, it can’t yet be announced yet.

    • #241504
      Rick
      Participant

      I am getting really sick and tired of folks on here constantly saying that Larry was a better recruiter and Smith was a better coach. I’m sorry but the numbers just simply do not support that absurd theory. Here are some real numbers:

      Larry had 5 20+ win seasons in 10 years, 50%.
      Smith had 1 20+ win season in 4 years, 25%
      Larry’s overall win percentage was .568 overall and .503 in conference
      Smith’s overall win percentage was .512 overall and .395 in conference
      Larry had to start and manage the transition from G5 to P5, Smith did not.
      Larry made the NCAA tournament twice, getting to the round of 32 once and the Sweet 16 once.
      Smith never made the NCAA tournament.
      Larry made the NIT 3 times.
      Smith made the NIT 1 time.
      Larry followed Josh Grant’s key to success by landing local top talent like Jordan Loveridge, David Collette, Rylan Jones, and Brandon Carlson.
      Smith did not and also lost our best returning big to our hated rivals down south.
      Larry recruited, coached, and put multiple guys into the NBA and they are still in the league.
      Smith put Carlson in the league but he was not his recruit.
      Larry knew the importance of guards in the college game and had some excellent players during his time here like Delon, Taylor, Van Dyke, Wright, Bonham, Barefield, and Jones.
      Smith gave us Worster and Madsen and that is about it unless you want to count Devon who didn’t play a whole season and then left us for St. Johns.

      I could keep going but there is absolutely zero objective facts supporting Smith as the better coach than Larry K.
      He was not a better coach and he was not even in the ballpark in recruiting. If you want to compare him in a good light, you can pull up Boylen and Ray and you might have a case.

      • #241507
        Minnesota Ute
        Participant

        I’m not one that wants to die on that hill. All I’ll say is that from my perspective, I thought Larry was a s**tty X’s & O’s coach. Too many times we just looked lost on end of play situations, in-game adjustments were minimal, and rarely did we get good looks off of inbound plays. From what I’ve seen, it seemed like Smith did a better job in these areas and was the main reason why I was hopeful with him. But I just don’t think he ever had the horses to turn that into winning.

        That said, he had other issues that drove me crazy, not the least of which is his stupid rotations, turnovers (which I think is related), and poor free throw shooting. Rebounding was decent but not a staple like Majerus, defense was better this year but last year, especially our 3-pt defense, was atrocious.

        At the end of the day, I’m glad both are gone and I’m hoping Alex is the second coming of RM.

        I would add that with some of the talent he had, I think he would have advanced further in the dance with better coaching.

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