Glad my Tavern isn't subject to this, that's the bonus of being in business

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- 02/27/2017 at 7:42 PM #29080
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  PorterRockwell
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  since Statehood. One day, maybe, this state will treat adults like adults and stop trying to demonize alcohol. Or not
  
  http://www.sltrib.com/news/4990698-155/zion-curtain-bill-quickly-runs-into
  
  My favorite two parts HB442 would eliminate the grandfathered protection of restaurants that weren’t required to build Zion Curtains because they were serving alcohol before the requirement was enacted. “We’re saying you need to pick one of these two paths: We either need separate storage and dispensing [a Zion Curtain], or you need to have a buffer zone” of 10 feet from a bar where no children could sit.
  
  That buffer zone is referred to by some as a Zion Moat, a nickname Wilson finds offensive.
  
  memo to Brad Wilson, adults in Utah find it offensive that you and your minions do everything you can to make being an adult difficult here behind the zion curtain.
  
  Neves said restaurant and bar owners have been working for months in “good faith” to find a compromise that prevents overconsumption and underage drinking but also provides a healthy business environment for an industry that provides thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in revenues and taxes for the state and local communities.
  
  “The folks on the ‘other side’ of the table seem to have pounced on this opportunity to rewrite huge sections of Utah code,” he said. “Hence, we take no steps forward and 15 steps back. As written, this language is a threat to the very existence of the hospitality industry in Utah.”
- 02/27/2017 at 8:16 PM #29088
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  Tony (admin)
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  The whole premise to the zion curtain is to prevent overconsumption and underage drinking? The flaw is that some mormons in the legislature think that a young person “seeing” preparation of an alcoholic drink somehow renders that person’s cognitive decision making ability useless for the rest of his/her life? Perhaps they should erect the same zion curtains in ice cream stores? You know, a zion calorie curtain? Surely preventing a young child seeing the Baskin & Robbins server scooping ice cream is a sure-fire way of insuring that child doesn’t lose control and become obese, right?
  
  And someone please tell me this. Is there any data anywhere, any statistics that show implementation of the zion curtain has actually had the impact the law is presumably trying to accomplish? I’m sure overconsumption and underage drinking plummeted since the zion curtains were erected, right?
  - 02/27/2017 at 8:32 PM #29089
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    SkinyUte
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    And someone please tell me this. Is there any data anywhere, any statistics that show implementation of the zion curtain has actually had the impact the law is presumably trying to accomplish? I’m sure overconsumption and underage drinking plummeted since the zion curtains were erected, right?
    
    I’m just impressed you were able to type that without succumbing to fits of hysterical laughter.
  - 02/27/2017 at 8:52 PM #29092
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    Utah
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    The word of wisdom says you can drink beer but says you should NOT eat meat or be fat.
    
    SSSoooooooooo………….
    - 02/27/2017 at 8:54 PM #29093
      
      Tony (admin)
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      I feel a letter to the editor coming on…
      - 02/27/2017 at 9:04 PM #29094
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        Tony (admin)
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        Letter to the editor sent! Two sentences. #nailedit
  - 02/28/2017 at 9:12 AM #29120
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    SaltyBacon
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    Perhaps they should erect the same zion curtains in ice cream stores? You know, a zion calorie curtain? Surely preventing a young child seeing the Baskin & Robbins server scooping ice cream is a sure-fire way of insuring that child doesn’t lose control and become obese, right?
    
    Let’s put one up at Hot Dog on a Stick while we are at it. I can’t control myself when those nice young ladies are making their delicious lemonade.
  - 02/28/2017 at 12:59 PM #29144
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    zeous
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    Could be worse… Could be totally dry like Islamic countries.
    - 02/28/2017 at 2:48 PM #29151
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      SkinyUte
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      I’ll give you credit, you certainly do have a singular focus.
      - 02/28/2017 at 4:24 PM #29155
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        PorterRockwell
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        yes, yes he does.
      - 02/28/2017 at 5:50 PM #29165
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        zeous
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        That, or your focus on what I post about is singular.
- 02/27/2017 at 9:08 PM #29095
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  Utahute72
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  The idea behind the zion curtain is not to entice underage youth to drink, but most likely does just the opposite. Someone needs to drag this state kicking and screaming into the 20th Century.
  - 02/27/2017 at 9:54 PM #29101
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    Utah
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    Give it 20 years for the current “enlightened” to die off and then hopefully the next crop of “enlightened” will use their brains, throw the current “enlighteneds” under the bus and improve things.
    - 02/28/2017 at 7:51 AM #29111
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      AZswayze
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      I feel like the old white guys in Utah see the impending millennial wave coming, and are are throwing everything at the wall as a last stand of sorts. Salt Lake City is going to look like a different world in twenty years.
      - 02/28/2017 at 8:31 AM #29112
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        Utah
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        I agree with this. It really feels like they see the big changes coming and they are making their last stand before they die and church is completely overhauled.
        
        Its almost comical, until you realize they are playing with people’s lives.
      - 02/28/2017 at 9:29 AM #29123
        
        mokus
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        Millenial Wave? Are you talking about the group of young who were promised Jesus would come back in their lifetimes ushering in the “Millenium”? Like that when they start dying off in the next 20-40 years that everyone will feel betrayed and lied to and everything will be rethought? You probably meant something else.
- 02/28/2017 at 4:04 AM #29108
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  UTEMAN
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  Zion curtain, is that anything like the Iron curtain. I grew up as a child watching TV comercials about the Iron curtain and they had me scarred s**tless.
  
  Should I be afraid all over again. Yes, yes I should. Anything that takes my freedoms away from me, is worthy of being afraid of.
  
  I say down with the curtain, hell down with all curtains. Long live the Scotch.
- 02/28/2017 at 8:46 AM #29114
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  Renegadefly
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  Brad Wilson…”tear down this wall!”
- 02/28/2017 at 10:21 AM #29127
  
  Utahute72
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  One of the issues with the new legislation is that no establishment would be grandfathered, so if it passes your tavern would have to create the new standoff distance regardless.
  - 02/28/2017 at 2:39 PM #29150
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    PorterRockwell
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    I’m Porter f*^kin Rockwell, the brethren in the capitol will not infringe upon my business or I will smite them down with my Colts
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