I did some more research.
A few biggies I remember:
1. Must have a Utah DL for at least a year.
2. Must register to vote in Utah, or file a form stating they don’t wish to register. Might have to be for a year as well.
3. Need to have proof of a job in Utah, meaning W-2s. And yes for the year period.
4. Cannot leave the state for more than 29 days total during the entire year while establishing residency.
5. Cannot be claimed as a dependent on your taxes for that year while establishing residency. (Not a big deal since the tuition difference alone will compensate for the loss of tax deduction).
6. You have to establish residency (the entire year) about three or four months before the semester you are applying for in state tuition, i.e. Feb 1 is the deadline for Summer and I believe May 1 is the deadline for fall. So really you’ve got to plan ahead.
We’re thinking of sending her off the end of May this year, have her attend UVU for a year, then stay in Utah until the end of June/July next year. That way she’ll pay out of state tuition at UVU which is about the same as in state tuition at the U. Then she can transfer to the U. I’m encouraging her to do an associates at UVU then transfer. She said she’d have to find someone at the U in the Muss to buy her tickets for the football season.
Now with all that said, who knows how that goes down if she goes on a mission. I don’t think that would put her at square one if she has already established Utah residency. But I’ll have to check.
I agree this would just turn college football into a minor league system where players would go wherever they’re paid the most. Not a good idea. The charm of college football is that it’s associated with universities. Going to football games is part of the campus experience.
Once you start paying players, it begs the question: what is the point of even maintaining a university affiliation? Huge slippery slope, IMO.
Not sure how many of you enjoy Phish and their associated bands. I find a unique pleasure in their music, and my connection to the band is entwined with my love of all things Utah.
Just wanted to share https://jempradio.com/, a station from Coastal Maine streaming 24/7.
I particularly enjoy a show called The Other Mike’s Corner, a broadcast of recent and archival shows hosted by Mike Dow live at 12p MT every Wednesday, but replayed quite often throughout the week, includes a healthy bit of history learnin’ in each show. Here’s an article by Mr. Dow about the station’s history.
Give them a listen, kiddos, and have a great day.
You’re ignoring the point. The point is that recruiting rankings would not have predicted the results. And that Utah was very much in the running for a championship. Utah was very much in that game; they didn’t win, but they were hardly outclassed or out of UW’s league (metaphorically). Again, recruiting results would not have predicted that. Thus, recruiting rankings have strong correlation with results, but are not determinative. Thus, more important to look at the trajectory of the team and less important to worry too much about recruiting rankings. Don’t get me wrong, it is great/vital to have strong recruiting, but it is an inexact science. I definitely want better recruiting, same as you.
Realistically, I think Utah’s goal should be a top 25 recruiting school, but that may never happen; Utah may always be a top 35 recruiting school that has to coach the players up. Some would say that I don’t dream big enough and that if we had a different coach, we could pull in top 10 recruiting classes – to that, I say, sure, maybe. But I think the odds are that Utah will never have that type of coach or pull, ever. The type of coach that can make Utah a top 10 recruiting school is not the type of coach that would stick in Utah – the first year Utah pulled off that type of recruiting class, the coach would be hired away by a school with more money and prestige. I might be wrong, but I think history provides a good indication that I am not. And we should not forget the downside risks associated with drastic changes. We may be unhappy with things now, but they can get a lot worse than winning the division and being very competitive in the championship game.
Ew, no.
Dude is a scumbag that I would never want associated with Utah football.
I think the Mormon culture that Utah has is a positive to more people than we think it is. People associate The Church with a strong family culture and good values. That is attractive to a lot of these parents who send their young adult sons to live in another state. Sitting by a certain players mom at the ASU game, this was one of the largest reasons she supported her kid coming here, and she said some of the other parents she affiliates with have similar opinions.
JD’s mom could have strong feelings against it, but I think we are speculating too much.
Arizona State is an attractive program to someone coming out of highschool. JD sounded way excited reporting on his official visit to ASU, he gave ASU more praise then he did to Utah’s “different vibe.”
The church works for us and against us, not everyone will see it as something that creates a good enviroment.
I don’t need her to say “mormons suck,” but I imagine we do not have the whole story.
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I agree. BYU-P doesn’t deserve to be associated with anything good.
I like them. Joel Klatt has always had a pretty rosy opinion of Utah and I just think he’s a pretty good color guy overall.
After Utah/Oregon 2015 I exclusively associate the word “wow!” with Gus Johnson. If you took a shot every time he said the word during one of his play calls you’d be smashed by halftime.
Short answer is that ESPN’s FPI model is updated with data from each game once it happens, which impacts their baseline assessments of each team’s relative ranking on Offense, Defense and Special Teams (which in combination informs the overall team FPI). Then they run enough simulations of each remaining game to produce statistically significant resutlts and create their predictions. (538 actually uses FPI for 75% of their model, while the Playoff Committee’s CFP [or AP if CFP not yet released] rankings make up the other 25%)
So it actually doesn’t have to do with who has conference games left (the model now knows that only we can win the South and that only UW/Wazzu can win the North, so the championship game iterations only consider two matchup possibilities)… what it means is that the net effect of our performance against Colorado (combined with the net effect of everyone else’s performances) exceeded our previous relative baselines enough to swing the projections of the remaining games in the new simulations (that are based on the updated baselines). For what it’s worth, last week FPI favored us over Wazzu in P12Champ scenario but not against UW. So our performance against Colorado was, on a relative basis, enough to “change” the model’s mind about our chances head to head with UW.
ESPN on how FPI works:
“The Football Power Index (FPI) is a measure of team strength that is meant to be the best predictor of a team’s performance going forward for the rest of the season. FPI represents how many points above or below average a team is. Projected results are based on 10,000 simulations of the rest of the season using FPI, results to date, and the remaining schedule. Ratings and projections update daily.”
538 on how their models work:
“Games are simulated mostly using ESPN’s Football Power Index. We say “mostly” because we’ve also found that giving a little weight to the playoff committee’s weekly rankings of the top 25 teams helps add to the predictions’ accuracy. (We use the Associated Press Top 25 poll as a proxy for the committee’s rankings until the first set of rankings is released in the second half of the season.) Specifically, the model’s game-by-game forecasts are based on a combination of FPI ratings and committee (or AP) rankings — 75 percent on FPI and 25 percent on the rankings.”
For math types so inclined, the detailed 538 explanation can be found here:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/methodology/how-our-college-football-playoff-predictions-work/
This approach would work better in a professional league (as done in some soccer leagues) because college players have a defined time limit on playing. But regardless, I would love a system where team could advance to on a year to year basis. The reality is that there are P5 schools that are worse than G5 schools. Let G5 schools have the opportunity to play into a P5 league (and the associated perks) and put P5 schools at risk of being demoted. You would essentially need to rank all schools at the end of the year and promote/demote some. At least then a G5 school could prove it on the field and advance via merit, instead of being stuck in a caste system.
Utah @ 
Big 12 
