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[UTE98]

I may just be one of the weirdest origin stories for a Utah fan.

I grew up in Boise Idaho, only a few blocks from BSU. I attended more football games there in my youth than I have Utah football games. I used to sell coke/popcorn/hot dogs to make a few extra bucks. My little league baseball coach played for BSU then the Pittsburgh Steelers. (I’m still a huge Pittsburgh sports fan, Pens, Bucs, Steelers) Then I left home and ended up in Utah… Provo, Utah. My two best friends growing up both went to BYU, I remember my best friend’s dad going to the Stake Center to watch BYU football on their satellite when we were in High School.

So then I end up in Provo, working and going to BYU part-time for a year. I was at the #1 Miami against BYU game the year Ty Detmer won the Heisman. In fact I had student tickets a couple years. I’ve only had season tickets one year at Utah. So what happened? I got fed up with the attitude of some of the students/fans. I felt they were very judgmental and since I didn’t have a lifelong affiliation I was seduced by the Maji. One of my cool roommates loved basketball and we watched Utah against UNLV in March Madness. I loved Majerus, I loved the idea of not being judged for who I was. I lived in Provo for five or six more years before I attended the U. I transferred to UVSC (UVU) finished my associates and then transferred to the U. Why did it take me so long to finish my degree? I joined the Utah National Guard and took some time off from school to travel the world with the Army.

While there were many I’ll only share two stories which illustrate my loathing for TSPP fans. First my best friend’s older brother. He did not go on a mission because he couldn’t keep his pecker in his pants. Then a couple years later had the audacity to criticize me for something saying “That’s what you get for not getting your Eagle Scout.” EXCUSE ME! And here’s a bombshell!!! I was also roommates with one of the Cougar Board moderators. Not going to spill too many details, but let’s just say he also turned me to the dark side with his actions.

So in about 1992 I’d made my transition. Even though I lived in Provo until 1997. I loved being a devil in the holier than thou Provo. So I transferred to the U and completed my Jr/Sr year graduating in 1998. Yes in only four quarters, I took a very heavy load.

The 1998 loss to BSU which in retrospect was very much like the 95 yard 4th quarter drive we just saw this last weekend. I remember seeing a PE teacher from my Jr. High at that game, that was the year I had season tickets. That game ended my affinity for BSU. So much so that when I lived in Virginia I went to the BSu-VT game at FedEx field with a VT shirt and my friend who graduated from VT. My father, brother and sister all graduated from BSU. And in true brotherly fashion my brother called right after BSU won and let me have it. BSU is stolen valor in my opinion, claiming all the achievements Utah did first.

I’ve never attended a TSPP game outside those couple years, save that 1998 game. Man that was not a good year with losses to both in the same season. In Virginia I was friends with ARod’s HS friend and loved the insider information. I’ve been to Utah games in North Carolina, Louisville, Michigan, and Notre Dame. Sadly I moved to Colorado before the game at Pitt.

So how did I end up a Utah fan? I guess I’m just a contrarian and don’t like being judged, so I rebelled.

GO UTES!!!!

[TheNuschler]

Thanks for posting that link. No doubt Cal fans should be more p**sed than Ute fans over that. My Best friend’s hate burns for the ACC refs, Miami, anyone associated with that conference with the power of a thousand suns… still. Plus, being from Cal and a science grad he wants to use their patented Cyclotron to level the ACC athletics office.

“naw, that was me…”

[2008 National Champ]

You didn’t ignore your Texas roots but that’s okay. It’s tough to take that out of the equation. Someone who grew up on the west coast like me would probably go opposite on most of your evaluations. i.e., Oklahoma State and Oregon State were pretty much equals in historical success until T Boone decided to try to outspend Phil Knight. Yet in my lifetime I’ve watched Dennis Erickson take Oregon State and it’s lack of resources to a top 5 ranking and beatdown of Notre Dame. I have an affinity for Oregon State just like you do the schools you grew up watching. They were one of my favourite non-Utah teams to root for in the conference and were a good partner.

There are two other things that no one has brought up yet:

1. By aligning with the PAC, Utah became (I hope I have the number right) a billion a year research school. The Athletic Department produces a pittance of that. Losing access to those resources is huge for the University for those who care about more than the football team. And they can’t be made up with membership in the Big 12.

2. It’s almost impossible to measure the amount of antipathy most Utah fans have/had towards sharing a conference with the parochial school again. I say almost because you can ask any Aggie fan how much they like having to deal with Texas on a regular basis. Perhaps Utah people would have been less resistant to entering the Big 12 if it didn’t include the parochial school. Impossible to know but you can’t discount that it tips the scales, even if not outright acknowledged.

At the end of the day, my evaluation of the teams is as valid as yours. And if you’d started your posts with an acknowledgment of that instead of telling us that we would be dumb to prefer ours instead of what you value, this discussion wouldn’t have gone this long. Don’t get me wrong, I love having actual conversations instead of snarkfests. I just think we could have gotten here a lot quicker and maybe solved a couple of other first-world problems while we were at it.

As to your last, liking Utah State and Fresno in not a bad thing. It’s okay if the rest of the country think being associated with them is a step down in competition. I’m fine with that. I know Utah’s place in the industry. As much as I would like Utah to have the historical success of say a Texas, I’m not going to lose sleep over it.

At the same time, I’ve watched when Utah was good enough in a single season to be considered for best of the year and other “names” getting that chance because they were names. 2008 would have been an epic playoff with Oklahoma, Florida, Utah, Tech, Texas, Alabama and whoever the Big10 and ACC got in. In the PAC, it was made clear that Utah would have to go undefeated to get the benefit of the doubt and make the playoff and I think it will only be slightly better in the Big 12 because of the autobid. So I’d rather be in a place where I can earn best in my group than be told anything short of perfection doesn’t matter.

[Rick Walker]

Part of what really does make this rivalry so toxic is the religious undertones. byu is 95+ percent lds in their fanbase and because they are literally directly associated with the church all the other people who grow up in Utah and aren’t lds are automatically Utah fans. This in turns makes some of those people really who really hate the church for whatever personal reason hate byu more than they maybe deserve, and the feelings are easily reciprocated both ways.

One of the best things about not playing byu is that it’s easy to be happy for my friends that are byu friends instead of worrying about how it affects Utah’s season

[The Miami Ute]

1. I’m really, really proud of Utah fandom for the massive in-person showing at RES last night. I was afraid before the game that half the stadium would be wearing blue but it really wasn’t even close.

2. I’m not from Utah and came to my Utah fandom late so BYU has always kind of been just another team to me. That’s changing rapidly. In my limited experience with their fanbase, they have a high ceiling for assdouchery. LIsten BYU fans, this is coming from a guy from Miami…you don’t have to be total dickheads before, during, and after a game. Act like you’ve been there before, at least occasionally…you’re lucky that people here in Utah are far more understanding than people in the East Coast, because I saw and heard stuff that would have garnered violence on a massive scale if this game was played, say in the Orange Bowl in the 80s or 90s.

3. I didn’t see the holding call on Vaughn, even though I was close to the play, and I can’t recall seeing it on the scoreboard but I did see a replay on this X site: WILD ending to this game. After seeing this here are my thoughts: Quite simply, it was a BS call. There’s nothing there…Ratzleff has what, 1.5-2 seconds before he’s wrapped up for the sack? It reminded me of another famous BS call that stopped Miami from winning the NC back in 2003 versus Ohio State. Whatever, it’s this kind of crap, along with all of the other associated shenanigans (NIL, unlimited transfers, bicoastal conferences) that’s killing college sports.

4. BYU is a smoke and mirrors team. They’re not really particularly good at anything or have any players that make you jump out of your seat. John Canzano was at the game and, in his story following the end of the contest, said that if BYU played Oregon, the Ducks would have a 30+ point victory against the Cougars. Frankly, I think that he’s being charitable with that 30+ scoreline. If BYU played the Ducks, I’m thinking 60+ if Dan Lanning wants to make a statement. Just look at who BYU has played this season and how fortunate they’ve been. They’ve skirted disaster time and time again this season against, let’s call them what they are, not very good teams. Yes, they’ve beaten everyone in their schedule but you can’t really give them any style points. All I’m going to say is that they better not sleep on Kansas next week.

5. The Kyle Whittingham era in Utah is over. Sure, he’s on contract for three more years but, for all intents or purposes, it’s hard to see a pathway for Utah to remain relevant if he stays at the helm. I’m not calling for his dismissal, just questioning if a 65 year old man has the desire and wherewithal to re-invent himself in order to remain successful as this stage of the game.

6. The sooner that Utah is out of the Big 12, the happier I’ll be. I think that I speak for a large part of Utah fandom when I say that Utah is not happy now, and will probably never be, in the Truckstop Conference known as the Big XII. At this point, it’s just a marriage of convenience and the moment a better opportunity presents itself, Utah will be gone in the wind. And I don’t want to look East but just West.

[press-on]

A long time ago someone gave me some advice. “Never hire anyone you can’t fire”. I would say it especially holds true in the college football business.

Interested in your thoughts here. Consider grading out the Ute Position Coaches and Head Coaches as well as other associated groups like Strength and Conditioning based on player’s performances. Give out Grades something like this: Outstanding; Very Good; Mediocre; Under Performing.

So what did you come up with? Remember the objective is ‘to Upgrade’ to Outstanding performance at every position and level, year in and year out.

In actuality, I’m seeing a steady drop-off year over year at quite a few positions. People should have been fired a long time ago for Under Performance.

Furthermore, because Whitt either couldn’t (family and friends) or wouldn’t upgrade over time it has now blown up in his face all at once. It’s like ignoring your car’s maintenance and then scratching your head in surprise as suddenly the wheels drop off and it all falls apart. Quick fix patches won’t repair this jalopy now.

Conversely, I noticed down south, Kaloni ‘canned’ quite a few of his coaches over the years for under performance and in their place brought in some difference makers. Good on Kaloni.

So, what’s the final take here? Probably best to wait til season’s end. But for me, I’m going with Whitt’s line on this one, “Next Man Up”. (From Whitt all the way down; and throw in Harlan as well. New staff can cherry pick who to keep on)

[The Miami Ute]

This is not a troll question, but do you know Whitt personally and associate with him? There’s got to be some people here that really know what’s going on in his mind. If I’m 65, in a high-stress/high-pressure job and I’ve already made more money than I’ll ever be able to spend in my lifetime, I don’t spend more than a minute after the season is over as Utah Head Coach.

[OmahaOmaha]

Move to the P12 with those teams? I’d fire everyone associated with that decision on the spot — the President, the AD, the Associate AD’s, their spouses, kids, aunts and uncles — everyone would have to go.

[AZUTE]

He’d come back to Utah as Head Coach. There are people associated with Utah he’s told that to directly.

Offensive recruiting would explode if he was the HC.

5* skill players would be lining up to play for him.

[The Miami Ute]

You want to talk dirty programs? Look at this list and come back to me when you see Miami.

The NCAA stripped former Penn State football head coach Joe Paterno of 111 wins because of the Jerry Sandusky scandal before returning the wins in 2015 as part of a settlement agreement.[33][34]
The 2005 USC vs. Notre Dame football game, famous for the “Bush Push”, was later vacated because of monetary benefits Reggie Bush received from sports agents while in college.[35]
The 2009 ACC Championship Game victory by Georgia Tech was vacated due to Georgia Tech’s athletics department hindering an NCAA investigation into Demaryius Thomas receiving $312 worth of clothing from a former player, by informing Thomas and another player ahead of time that they were going to be interviewed, which the NCAA viewed as evidence of intentionally playing an ineligible player.[36][37] While some reports indicate that Georgia Tech was also made to vacate two losses (to Georgia and Iowa),[36] Georgia Tech does not recognize the losses as vacated in their media guide, as of 2023.[38]
Bowl game victories that have been vacated by the NCAA include:
2005 Orange Bowl, USC[39]
This was also the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) title game for the 2004 season; the 2004 USC Trojans football team was forced to vacate its national championship,[40] although the Associated Press (AP) still recognizes USC as winners of the 2004 national championship.[41]
2006 Emerald Bowl, Florida State[42]
2011 Sugar Bowl, Ohio State[43]
2011 New Orleans Bowl, Louisiana–Lafayette[44]
2013 New Orleans Bowl, Louisiana–Lafayette[44]
2013 Pinstripe Bowl, Notre Dame[45]
2014 Outback Bowl, LSU[46]
2015 Texas Bowl, LSU[46]
2020 Gator Bowl, Tennessee[47]
Rarely, losses have been vacated in NCAA records, which does not affect the winning team. The intention of this penalty has been to vacate a losing team’s appearance in a game, which in the following two cases, were the BCS National Championship Games of the 2005 and 2012 seasons, respectively.
2006 Rose Bowl, USC[48][49]
2013 BCS National Championship Game, Notre Dame[50]
In addition, the 1998 SMU Mustangs football team had to vacate the results of their first 10 games (4 wins and 6 losses), due to use of an ineligible player, resulting in their initial 5–7 record being recorded as an official 1–1 record.[51] This is the only known time in major college football history (FBS or its historical predecessors) that a team has had to vacate more losses in a season than wins.