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  • The Miami Ute
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    Personally, I don’t think we’re going back to NFL eligible athletes or portal entrants playing routine bowl games. I’m with you though. If the Utes don’t make the CFP, why would anyone travel hundreds (or thousands) of miles, with all of the associated costs, to support a B squad in what’s essentially a meaningless exhibition game? Truth be told, after going to Vegas and seeing the product out on the field, I had kind of buyer’s remorse, and I wasn’t the only one. I think something that coaches sometimes forget is that, yeah, winning is best, but winning and being entertaining is better. Do you think that if people knew we had another year of Barnes or a Barnes equivalent, RES would sell out every game? It would be a test for sure. All I can say is that yesterday’s first half was the most boring and visually painful half of Ute football (given the competition) that I’ve seen since probably the beat downs by TCU in 2010 or Bosie State in 2006.

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    In reply to: Bernard

    The Miami Ute
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    Well, I’ve spent the last 15-20 minutes searching on the internet and I haven’t been able to find anything stating that the NCAA has made the rule permanent or even extended it to this bowl season. It’s possible that it could have been just a one off associated with Covid.

    #206960
    Utah
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    Let’s be real. Compared to the NFL, the on field product sucks. It’s no different, skill wise, than the G Leauge or AAA baseball. Maybe even worse. Yet we watch and love it. Why?

    1 – It’s local. Traditionally, it was your school. Especially in places like SLC, Provo, Stillwater, etc. You didn’t have a professional team, but you had YOUR football team.

    2 – The players were local. Traditionally the kids on the team were local kids. I have never watched high school football and never plan to. But I like to bag on Dalton Schultz for not going to Utah. I love seeing Barton get burned on the Commanders and going, “hey, look, it’s Barton. He’s from SLC.”

    3 – It was affordable. NFL games are nuts. All my kids are from Philly. I was going to take my oldest to the Philly/Seattle game until they moved it to Monday night. For the same amount of money, we can go to the Vegas Bowl. You could get cheap seats and afford to take the family.

    4 – You could dream of that special season. Even though it wasn’t reality, you could dream about your team having a 1984. You could see the national champion winners from the pre 1970’s and think, “hell if they could win a title, we could get lucky one time.”

    5 – Bowl games were a huge deal and you got to play teams you never got to play anymore.

    6 – Winning a conference championship gave you a sense of pride as you typically worked with/associated with people from teams in your conference because the game was so local. It gave you something to talk about.

    All of that is gone now. All of it. It’s not local anymore. We will play in Orlando next year. That is about as non-local as you can get. I don’t think I’ll ever run into a UCF fan here on the west coast. That game will come and go and no one will care. I’ll watch it, but I won’t talk about. Here in Seattle, there are OSU, Oregon, UW, WSU, USC, UCLA grads everywhere. There is always someone that cares about the Utah game and visa versa. Not anymore.

    The transfer portal and NIL have taken away the local aspect. Even the bigger conferences has as well. There is so much turnover on teams, how do you ever learn who was what? The days of having Marcus Williams play like absolute horse s**t his freshman year and get better then elite are gone. The days of Devin Lloyd sitting for two years, having the starter quit and Lloyd, who knows the system inside and out, step in and excel are gone. A game that already is worse than the NFL will get even sloppier.

    And the money…you could relate to the college kids. We all have memories of college and the struggle and working hard to make something for yourself. A 19 year old backup QB making a million dollars at Utah who might not even be any good? How do you relate to that? How do you have patience with that? How do you root for them to get better? The expectation is that they are good and ready to go.

    Take Wilson. He is a legacy kid. He should come in, sit behind Rising, maybe sit a year behind Rose and then push to start his JR year, take the job and be successful and we all love him and talk about him for decades. Instead, he will come in, make some money and if he doesn’t start in 2025, he’s gone. And he will probably transfer to another school and then another before starting as a RS JR at BYU. And if he struggles as all young players do, we will all bag on him. That sucks for a kid who grew up dreaming about playing for Utah. That amount of pressure isn’t realistic.

    The games aren’t that affordable any more. Enough said. The bowl games suck now. FSU is in the Orange Bowl and there have been rumblings of them not even going. That’s insane.

    And the emphasis on national titles has ruined conference championship games and with how Utah was treated in 2008 and how FSU was treated this year…there is no chance of a special season. You can win it all if you are a blue blood. Outside of that, if FSU can get left out, then Utah 100% will.

    This isn’t college football and I’m not sure how long this version can last. Nothing that made it great is still there. And if I want to watch good football, I’ll just watch the NFL.

    #205348

    In reply to: Whitt’s whit

    pedro
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    Or maybe he didn’t want to keep differentiating b/t the three different Sanders associated w the buffs.

    Or he does that every week, which is what I’ve always noticed.

    #202270
    The Miami Ute
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    Absolutely…if he wants to stay on the West Coast he can probably have his pick of all the deep-pocketed teams from the PAC that are going to the B1G. I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago and, understandably, it didn’t go over well with the UteHub crowd. However, viewed objectively,it would be to Rising’s best interest to move on to a program that features offense if he wants to showcase himself for a possible NFL career. If he goes to one of USC, UW, or UO, there’s really no guilt associated with the move since they won’t be in the same conference.

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    In reply to: Rose

    The Miami Ute
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    I don’t want to start a downvote avalanche…at the same time, and I love Whitt (looking at his framed autographed photo in my office right now) and have the highest respect for him, there’s a bunch of stuff associated with how the QB situation has been handled since Cam got injured in the Rose Bowl that just puzzles me. I guess you just have to chalk it up to how Whitt conducts business and to what he believes is best for the team.

    The Miami Ute
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    Over the last couple of days, I’ve been going on a tour of all major USC affiliated websites and YouTube channels to try to get a sense of how they feel about this game.

    It’s been an interesting journey and really shows the difference between USC/Utah and even probably LA/SLC.

    Bottom line up front, this game has almost taken an Armageddon-like perspective amongst the USC fanbase and associated media.

    It’s almost as if this game is turning into a referendum on Riley’s future tenure with the team. The conventional wisdom I’ve seen states that if USC can’t beat an undermanned Utah team at home, a Utah team that’s beaten them three times in a row and in which they have the revenge factor going for them, a Utah team which has little to no offense, who else remaining in their schedule are they going to beat? Oregon? Washington? UCLA? And all of this while having the supposedly best college football player in the planet on their team. What’s going to happen when he leaves at the end of the season?

    So, if Utah beats USC in the Coliseum tomorrow, that win has the potential to completely ruin their season and turn an already restive fanbase against Riley. You talk about second and third-order effects, this game definitely has the potential to have serious downstream repercussions for USC.

    In closing, the funniest thing about all the YouTube channels that I reviewed was the massive and constant presence of Oklahoma fans who are fanning the flames of dissent against Riley. Their dislike of Riley is so great that they don’t even refer to him by name. They call him The Bitch Out West or TBOW for short. I had to look that up because I didn’t know what it meant and it was popping up in almost all comments.

    #200855
    The Miami Ute
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    Because, you know, we as Utah fans are directly responsible for having one of the worst offenses in the FBS. There’s absolutely no drama associated with that or the Utah QB situation. Everything is hunky dory and going exactly as planned before the season.

    The Miami Ute
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    Completely agree. I just can’t understand how, fully well knowing that your presumptive QB1 had an injury that could potentially keep him out the entire season, you just rolled with what you had…an unknown Rose, a limited Barnes, and a totally inexperienced Johnson, and called it good. It’s the biggest blunder associated with Utah football this century.

    #199073
    2008 National Champ
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    There are 3 posts at Utezone on this announcement: here’s one with the pertinent details.

    I do estimating and estimate assurance as part of my job so picking through the details comes naturally. Here’s the rundown.

    1. The article(s) state that the value of the deal is “roughly 6 MM”.
    …a. 85 players x $61,000 = 5.185 MM. Not in any realm of rounding is that roughly 6 MM
    …b. The 6 MM figure assumes the trucks were purchased at sticker price. Instead these are leases
    ……1. A standard 5 year lease would be $1,106.67 per month.
    ……2. 85 players x 6 month lease x 1,106.67 = $ 518,500
    ……3. Unless the Crimson Club is committing to paying full leases, this deal does not come anywhere close to 6 MM
    2. Matt Garff
    …a. The article notes that he is a founding member of the Crimson Club
    …b. This deal guarantees income for his dealership as long as he is willing to continue
    …c. $ 518,500 every 6 months is a nice gross for his business
    …d. If this was a politician giving business to himself, it would be an ethics violation worthy of removal from office
    3. Insurance
    …a. The article states that the Crimson Club will be footing the bill
    …b. What are the odds that the insurance provider will also be associated with the Crimson Club?
    …c. If we assume $500.00, 6 months premiums (which should be high) we get 85 x 500 = $42,500
    …d. Insurance plus sticker price of the trucks still does not get us anywhere 6 MM
    4. The Players
    …a. Must have good driving records to qualify
    ……1. Define “good record”. No accidents whether at fault or not? No tickets?
    …b. Are there limitations on where and when the vehicles can be driven?
    ……1. Must the trucks stay in state?
    ……2. Can the players take them home (out of state) during breaks?
    …c. The 6 month lease
    ……1. First lease if started November 1 would end April 30, before the end of school year (I think)
    ……2. Is there any guarantee that if a player meets the conditions, that the program won’t end?
    ……3. Does one of two bad apples ruin it for everyone?
    …d. This is not an asset that the players can use to their benefit, i.e. resale

    Ultimately, for promoting the Crimson Club the players get to borrow a car for 6 month increments. Granted, it’s a nice car, but it is not a tangible asset since Garff still owns each of the trucks. At the end of the day, Garff is the only one who receives a true benefit from this deal. He gets the income, he gets to look like a great guy in the press. The players are used as pawns while he pays himself from the non-profit he founded.

    At least in the old days, when Bob’s Used Cars gave out $100 handshakes, the players got paid. Christ, when the parochial school had Bit Bars (Better Bars, Breakfast Bars, whatever the name of the company was) give a benefit to the entire roster, it was in $$$ instead of protein bars that the players had to give back as good as they got them.

    Edit: I need to figure out how to indent on here. that is ugly

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