Colorado and Utah to Big12

[UofU Fanatic]

I love the Podcast of Champions and today Dave has rumors of Colorado and Utah out. It was about 20 minutes in or so I think. Again, rumors but was interesting hearing their discussion

[dystopiamembrane]

What were some of the points raised?

[UofU Fanatic]

I haven’t finished the episode yet. But again definitely a rumor. But what Dave rumors is he has a friend that stated the USC and UCLA was leaving 2 days prior the news officially broke out. Well this friend is saying the same thing now about Colorado and Utah.  I don’t think he said where but Big12 would make sense if they do.  They then discussed if Pac10 is starting to fall apart that would be better to be one of the first to jump etc. Discussed differences of reporting from Wilner/Canzsno vs everyone else.  I’ll finish episode later today. 

But all speculative but thought was interesting and thought just add a post for any other PoC listeners that might be here as well

[Whitty]

Probably don’t phrase your post headline like this if it’s only another rumor at this point lol

[UofU Fanatic]

Tanute, that’s fair.  Sorry, I wasn’t trying to be deceiving but get what you are saying. I tried to edit to make it clear but not sure how. Just thought was a interesting episode from PoC who are 247 reporters for USC and UCLA that do a podcast together weekly.  

[Ute2]

So… If  the sky is falling(which Wilner strongly refuted on wspn700), is it the fact that our best remaining brands won’t sign a GOR worth its salt?  thoughts, people?

Assumption being that conference as presently constituted still > then big 12.  

 

[Ute2]

I have a philosophy that marker size alone is a bunk metric by which to select candidates.  Hence, I’ll be irate if Cal is picked up by the big 10 before us.

market size x fan enagagement is where it’s at.

sec=small or moderate markets x hyper engaged fans.

big10=big markets x pretty engaged fans

big 12=small markets x pretty engaged fans

pac-12 = big markets x poorly engaged fans…which in the end, dispiteLarry Scott, defections etc. is the Achilles heel of our conference as a whole.  If our fan care factor wasn’t the poorest of all p5s we’d be sitting pretty.  Maybe Larry Scott’s ideas would’ve worked, forcing better distribution of the network.  Many fan bases care more about waking the dog and dropping by the coffee shop then the game.

 

[Ute2]

Utah with a moderate market and highly engaged fans grades out on the high end of viewership for schools in p12 and b12.

[2008 National Champ]

I think you also need to factor in time zones. The NFL, with limited teams, is able to play their Sunday day games all with the same local starting time which emphasizes the best matchups nationally while still giving the local audience consistent access at reasonable times.

Because there is so much content available on a college football Saturday, first come first served has meant the the Eastern and Central time zones have been prioritized disproportionately. Or at least that’s how I feel. But the reality is also that your casual fan on the West Coast is more likely to tune into a morning game with two teams on the East Coast than give up their Saturday evening to attend/watch West Coast games. And East Coast fans have proven that they also don’t have much interest in late night West Coast games.

At some point it becomes irrelevant the “rabidity” of the fan base. Perhaps if there was an experiment where all games started at the same time (concurrent) and each fan could choose one game to watch out of the batch each week we could get a better idea of how to gauge the true value of a School/Conference. Until that happens, we are at the mercy of the moving sun which has determined that small town schools in the SEC are more valuable than major city schools in the PAC.

[UteFanatic]

I listened to the episode. I’m putting this firmly into the “rumors” category. It’s a step up from the garbage the zero credibility losers like Greg Swaim and MHver3 peddle, since the person who told David Woods this information is the same person who told him about USC/UCLA to the B1G before it happened. But, David was pretty clear that this wasn’t a highly credible source so take it with a grain of salt.

If true, great. I don’t care if Utah remains in the Pac12 or goes to the Big12. I’m ready for this whole charade to be over. The rampant speculation, rumors, disinformation, and propaganda has been completely ridiculous.

[BD]

Looks like there just might be some real smoke to this. We’ll see.

CBS & The Athletic:

Both reporting Big 12 have had recent contact with Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado and Utah.

Conferences don’t call schools first on realignment…they do not renew talks on realignment.

Schools call first…schools renew talks.

This is not “noise”.

— Greg Flugaur (@flugempire) March 3, 2023

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