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Comparison of Utah's DLine Coaches 2014-Present

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    • #45935
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      shakeitsugaree
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      I wanted to take an objective look at Utah’s 2017 DLine in comparison to years past. I used S&P metrics, because I felt they provided the most comprehensive picture I could find. I made a pretty sweet bar graph, but since I have no way of posting that here, I’ll cut and paste my spreadsheet cells. The numbers are percentile of FBS teams – so, the lower the number, the better.

      ……………Tuiaki (2014)……Pease (2015)……Powell (2016)……Powell (2017)

      Def S&P+……..29…………….18…………….38……………….36
      RushS&P+……..51……………..4…………….46……………….28
      HavocS&P+…….21……………..6……………..5……………….50
      Front7Havoc………15……………..7…………….11……………….68
      OpportunRate……..91…………….66……………106……………….27
      PowerSuccRate…….92…………….12…………….78………………118
      StuffRate………..72…………….19…………….30……………….36
      Best……………..0……………..5……………..1………………..1
      Worst…………….2……………..0……………..2………………..3

      Pease was by far the best DLine coach we have had in recent times, but Powell has improved some areas and regressed in others. One really interesting stat is the ‘Front7Havoc’ which graded highest under Pease, despite not putting up gaudy sack numbers.

      One takeaway from this, is that if Powell is indeed implementing Pease’s system, the players aren’t executing – evidenced by the Havoc and Power Success Rate stats, specifically.

      Another takeaway from this is that I don’t think Tuiaki is an upgrade from Powell; the overall Defensive S&P+ grade out lower, but not a lot lower, and I think maintaining Pease’s system will be most beneficial in the long run.

      TL;DR – Utah’s DLine is not as good as it was under Pease, but let’s give Powell some time to put the system in place.

      Cheers!

    • #45936
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      shakeitsugaree
      Participant

      Wow, the format is seriously effed up

      I’m trying to fix it – apologies

      • #45945
        shakeitsugaree
        Participant

        Yeah, I can’t seem to fix it.

        I’ll try to decode what I’ve posted here

        Each category has four numbers; each number from left to right is the national rank of Tuiaki, Pease, Powell 2016 and Powell 2017.

        Hope that helps

        • #45979
          Tony (admin)
          Keymaster

          Pasting spreadsheets, especially if it is Monkeysoft stuff, will always be bad.

          • #45983
            shakeitsugaree
            Participant

            Yes, but then I typed it in manually, and I still couldn’t create columns – advice?

            • #45990
              Tony (admin)
              Keymaster

              Maybe type some periods:

              Column1……Column2……Column3

              543………….222………….222

              • #45991
                shakeitsugaree
                Participant

                Good idea – spaces weren’t working – thanks

              • #45992
                shakeitsugaree
                Participant

                Better, but not ideal

                Oh well

                • #45993
                  Tony (admin)
                  Keymaster

                  Yeah, tough one. Maybe if you could export the chart as html, then paste the html in code view (not sure if you have code view though LOL).

    • #45937
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      Utah
      Participant

      Pease has stated numerous times that he and Whittingham have very different ideas on how to run a defense. His philosophy and Whitts are very different. He has also said that Scalley is a Whitt protege (which makes sense seeing how Scalley has only been exposed to Whitt’s ideology).

      Whitt wants to attack. He likes sack lake city and he feels the pressure causes mistakes.

      Pease wants to sit back, only send 3 to 4 after the QB and beat you with TO’s due to lack of options. Pease thinks sacks are vastly overrated.

      They use DL differently. Pease wants them to be the stars. Whitt wants the OLB/DE to be the star.

      My point?  It’s tough to compare the two, because they are attempting to accomplish different things. 

      • #45939
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        Utah
        Participant

        Also, it seems like Tuiaki is almost as overrated as Sitake around here. Tuiaki is not a bad DL coach, but he’s not great and not worth firing any member of this staff for. 

      • #45941
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        shakeitsugaree
        Participant

        But, you can compare success:

        Def S&P Pease: 18th nationally (best since 2014)
        Rush D S&P Pease: 4th nationally (best since 2014)

        • #45943
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          Utah
          Participant

          Yeah, Pease was great. I love his defense more. There is a reason why he spent so much time in the NFL. 

      • #45967
        Utahute72
        Participant

        It’s interesting that the complaint this year is that we don’t have the pressure we seem to have had in previous years. That is more than likely related to the fact that we are playing a more straight up defense (as opposed to blitzing), which would be the Pease version. Pease loved Dimick because he had the ability to get pressure in that model, but few have really been able to do that. I think Fitts could but he is so fragile that he can’t stay on the field.

        • #45980
          shakeitsugaree
          Participant

          We haven’t gotten pressure this year – and it’s due to a lack of execution, not the system. Pease’s system applied more pressure than Tuiaki/Sitake, and Powell has regressed in 2017 in the ‘pressure’ areas – look at the numbers:

          Front 7 Havoc – Tuiaki 15th, Pease 7th, Powell (2016) 11th, Powell (2017) 68th
          Stuff Rate – Tuiaki 72nd, Pease 19th, Powell (2016) 30th, Powell (2017) 36th

          We really miss Snacks this year, and no one has stepped up to take that role.

          • #45982
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            Red Don
            Participant

            We haven’t gotten pressure this year..,”

            i believe this too. I can only remember hearing Lotulelei’s name called once during the games this year, I’m sure I’ve missed a few, but he was projected to be this major disruptive force this year and he’s been very quiet. Something just seems to be off, for whatever reason.

            • #45984
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              shakeitsugaree
              Participant

              We haven’t gotten pressure – it’s not an opinion – it’s in the numbers:

              2017 Opportunity Rate 27th – respectable, but not elite
              2017 Power Success Rate 118th – OUT OF 129 TEAMS (that’s really bad)

    • #45950
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      rbmw263
      Participant

      Man, that 2015 defense deserved better. Half decent offense probably gets us to ny6

    • #45995
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      KiYi-Ute
      Participant

      Did someone say 15 sacks?!?

      • #46024
        FtheY
        Participant

        Yeahhh boiiiiii

    • #46026
      crazyute
      Participant

      We don’t seem to stunt much up front with Scalley. Our DL is very easy to read and account for. No pre or post snap movement

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