Did the Jazz just crap the bed? Don’t blame Gordon…BLAME THE OWNERSHIP

[gUrthBrooks]

How did they not have any foresight or any contingency plan? The Jazz let themselves get played…and went from Plan A to plan F…not having any plan b, c, or d. 

WTF does ownership and leadership have to say for themselves? I want to hear some accountability from Gail and Dennis. 

 

I’m optimistic about the Jazz in the next 4 years because of Gobert, but not in this immidiate year.  I’m pessimistic because what have you now shown Gobert as far as boldness to chase a championship?

George Hill goes to Sacramento for 3 years 57M???

Wow!

The Jazz are the BYU of the NBA. A good character team with NO CHANCE to WIN ANYTHING at the highest level. 

[noneyadb]

Delonte West and the Wet Willy says it all about Hayward.

The jazz ownership were played, but remember how upset fans were and how screwed the franchise was when they maxed out AK47? Paying Hayward a Max contract, or a super max when he makes all NBA in the east will only end up limiting who Boston is able to retain, and attract in future seasons free agency. 

Hayward already showed he was willing to leave when he signed with Charlotte, the only gripe I have with ownership is not trading Hayward two years ago and getting something for him. 

Hill is an injury plagued player, is he consistent enough for a conservative team to offer 57 million? 

Think the jazz fo did the right thing, they maxed out Gobert, drafted wisely, and will continue to rebuild.

[gUrthBrooks]

How did they not see it coming? And when did they start this rebuild process? 7 years ago? Now you are saying continue to rebuild?

[Utah]

Thank GOD for you. I’ve been saying this all along. This is 100% on Lindsey and the Millers. They are cheap and are more worried about profits than anything else. 

Look at this from Hayward’s prospective: 

You are drafted. You have Deron Williams, Andre Kirilenko, Paul Millsap and and Jerry Sloan. Jerry quits and Deron is traded for Derrick Favors and Corbin is hired over any other coach. 

Your first offseason, the Jazz draft Kanter and Burks, instead of players like Klay Thompson, Kwahi Leonard, Jimmy Butler and Isaiah Thomas. 

The next year you miss the playoffs, and the team decides to tank…but not tank. The Jazz let Carrol and Millsap walk for nothing (and Al Jefferson as well). They keep Corbin, who is trying to win games. The Jazz have two first round draft choices. Rumors are that the Jazz will draft Giannis and Gobert with their two picks. 

Instead, they trade those two picks for Trey Burke. They drafted Trey Burke over Giannis, Gobert and CJ McCollum. 

They then make the trade that allows GS the cap room to become GS. Back to deciding to “tank” but don’t do a very good job at it. Corbin is still trying to win games. They finish with the fifth pick in possibly the worst draft in the history of the NBA. They draft Exum. 

The next draft they take “balance pro” Lyles over Booker. 

Then they trade the #12 pick for George Hill over Jeff Teague. Teague is healthy for all 82 games and just signed for less than 20 million per year. Hill is hurt half the year and rumors are he wants to bolt. 

Why would you stay with that team? The Jazz have been bumbling along for 7 years there. Never really committed to any course and getting lucky with Gobert. 

The Jazz forked up big time here. 

Imagine if they had fired Corbin early, kept Millsap and drafted better. This could be our team right now:

Jeff Teague, Hayward, Leonard, Millsap, Gobert. They could have Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler, Isaiah Thomas coming off the bench or whatever. 

Hell, if they hit on ONE of those picks, we are in a different position. 

They Jazz haven’t drafted well. They haven’t traded for another star to pair with Hayward and Gobert (George was available and Utah did nothing). Snyder is a great coach. But what else have they done? 

Boston has a great coach. They won a title when Hayward was in college. They get big time stars to sign as FA’s. They have top 10 picks and one next year. They were the #1 seed in the east. 

Hayward would be a fool to NOT sign with Boston. 

Oh, and I didn’t even mention the time Hayward was told by the Jazz that he wasn’t a max player and to go find a deal if he could and they’d match it. 

Give me a reason why Hayward should re-sign with Utah? 

The Millers have been screwing this fanbase over for years and the fans just blindly take it while throwing cash at the Millers. lol. 

 

[Puget Ute]

I look forward to a time in a few years, after Gail passes away, that the Jazz franchise will get sold to Mark Hansen and moved to Seattle to become the Sonics…

[utefansince79]

Puget, I was a Sonics fan back in the days of Sikma and Dennis Johnson before the Jazz came to Utah. I do hope that Seattle gets a team again some year, but please, don’t take our Jazz.

 

 

 

 

[Anonymous]

I’ve been saying for years that the Jazz will do just enough to keep the lemmings lining up to fork over hard earned cash in exchange for an almost contender. It’s a main reason why I’m done with the NBA.

[noneyadb]

Thank Gail’s son for botching everything up in the first place and still feeling the effects 7 years later…

[Utah]

I agree 100%. 

[GameForAnyFuss]

The Jazz are the BYU of the NBA.

And unfortunately (and please don’t anyone take this personally), Jazz fans are the BYU-P fans of the NBA:
1. They think they’re going to return to their flash-in-the-pan “glory days” of yesteryear while ignoring the fact that they are not going to be able to succeed against the headwinds within their respective environments.
2. They constantly overrate their own players, due to a combination of their own bubble-induced optimism and a barrage of propaganda from the local media.
3. Their echo chamber of overrating their own players, coaches, and administration leads to wildly optimistic projections of outcome.
4. They refuse to admit that their opponents also have good players, coaches, and administration.
5. When the team inevitably underperforms (based on their unrealistic expectations), they seek to blame others instead of realizing that their expectations were way off, and that is where the problem truly lies.

Look, I get it. I’m a Sacramento Kings fan. The Kings are in the exact same boat as the Jazz. The difference is Kings fans are far more pragmatic about things. For example, you won’t find any Kings fans predicting a championship (or probably even making the playoffs) because they signed George Hill yesterday.

Jazz fans – like BYU-P fans – are really peculiar people. Thumbs down all you want, but this is the truth from the perspective of outsiders.

[Utah]

You nailed it man. 

Even above, noney says the Jazz have drafted well…they have not. They drafted Kanter, Burks, Burke and Lyles. 

They could have drafted: Giannis, McCollum, Butler, Klay Thompson, Isaiah Thomas, Leonard. 

They have drafted very poorly. They lucked out with Gobert that he fell so far. 

Every Jazz fan is vilifying Hayward when all he did was do his best and work his ass off for 7 years while the front office bumbled their way through life and getting lucky with Gobert. 

OKC traded for Paul George with Oladipo and Sabonis. Sabonis is not an NBA player. We could have easily given two draft picks, Favors, Exum and Hood for Paul George. 

Hayward isn’t leaving if you bring in Paul George. 

The Jazz ownership and FO suck. 

[Edutecator]

Bring up I Thomas is not meaningful. Some of the players are but Thomas was the last pick of the 2nd round.  He is a dynamic offensive player in the regular season but was shut down for all but one game of the playoffs and won’t take Boston anywhere.  Actually drafting Hayward over Paul George was another error but that was O’Connor and not Lindsey as was some of the others mentioned, but Lindsey has not drafted well either.  

The Jazz weren’t going far with or without Hayward so him leaving kind of opens it up to see what Lindsey is made of now.  

Also, GO UTES!

[noneyadb]

Meant they drafted well this season.

[ladyinred]

I think a lot of Jazz fans reacted yesterday in a very douchey way. (Burning jerseys on social media is trash – sorry not sorry). So in some ways your comparison is apt, but…

I have a hard time believing that any other ”small market” fanbase is different – RE: your comments about the echo chamber, media bubble, etc. In SLC the Jazz and the Utes are really it. Maybe if we had some other professional sports teams here, people would be able to shrug and move on more easily. Not saying the more s**tty behaviors should be tolerated or excused, but I’m saying I get why there are some hurt feelings.

I don’t blame Hayward for wanting to make a move that was his right to make, but I do think the way he and/or his agent handled the exit was sucky. Whether he deserves to be vilified as much as he is is debatable, but ffs he’s left the team in a bad position now for finding a suitable replacement.

[Stone]

I don’t think Jazz fans are much different than many fan bases around the country. Most fans see the world through rose-colored glasses. I know plenty of Kings fans that fit the criteria you describe. It’s just the nature of being a fan.

Certainly many Jazz fans overreacted to the Hayward decision, but it happens in big markets and small markets, all the same. Hayward will get booed by some and cheered by some when he returns to Utah. That’s not unusual for any fanbase, even Utes (case in point, the feelings many expressed regarding Stevie T).

[Stone]

The Jazz went all-in on Gordon. In hindsight, it’s easy to say that the decision was wrong, and there should have been back-up plans. But if the team had not gone all-in, people would have blamed them for not doing enough. I don’t know what the relationships were like or the indications that Hayward gave the Jazz, but it seems to me Hayward give them an indication that he was for sure leaving, so they took that at face value. My gripe is that Hayward was not more tranparent with the team sooner, so the Jazz could have arranged alternative plans. I think he left the team in a lurch (despite extolling how much he appreciated everything about the team). For that, I think Hayward hosed the Jazz.

[FtheY]

Maybe we could have kept Hayward if there was more nightlife…

[noneyadb]

The best part is the radio guys on 1280 losing their minds. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Tony (admin)]

Hayward left because the “this establishment is licensed as a restaurant, not a bar” signs were too confusing.

[FtheY]

Maybe the increase in salary wasn’t enough to offset the 2% tax increase on alcohol he would now have to pay. 

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