Discuss: NSFW content, non-Ute posts, politics etc

[Tony (admin)]

Lots of new traffic here, which is great on the surface. One assumes more content = better for a message board. That said, some content falls under the misc category, or NSFW, or politics.  It seems half the site is for this type of content and half is against.

It has been suggested that site guests only see Ute content, not politics or NSFW and such.  Once logged in under that setup users could then filter their content.  This is something I’m considering but the custom stuff like that I do is likely only to happen on the home page. Not saying it’s possible for the sub forum menu pages, but not as likely.

Another suggestion is to create an NSFW category, so the posts with “hot chicks” or whatnot don’t pop up on someone’s screen at work. I also wonder if having an NSFW category encourages more of that kind of content.

I’m a bit concerned also about some thread hijacking, a few bitter posts between a few users who don’t seem to get along, and so forth.

Once again I think it’s really important to keep topics in their proper categories.  The problem is that some posts cross between Ute/sports and politics, like the stupid legislative audit.  Those posts are tough.

I think we are getting to a point where we need to make some choices, and perhaps think about asking for a few moderators.  The problem with moderators is that there has to be a setup for them to moderate, which doesn’t exist.  🙂

I’d like some healthy discussion, sans bitching and moaning, about the above. 

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[Utah]

I’d say fall on the more safe side of things. If something is Utah related and BYU comes into it, reclassify or delete the BYU post. Same with politics. Anything political, gets moved to the politics category. For example, when Legislatures complain about the audit, that goes in politics, even though it is Utah sports related. 

[Utah]

I’d say get moderators and be strict about the categories. 

[ladyinred]

If something is Utah related and BYU comes into it, reclassify or delete the BYU post.

What do you mean by ”BYU comes into it”? Like tds smack talk?

[Milton Vanderslice]

If the OP is TDS specific I’m cool with reclassifying.  But if the OP is not TDS specific and TDS talk happens in it it shouldn’t be reclassified.

that’s my take

[UtahFanSir]

NSFW, A okay. I’m retired.

Politics, A okay, I’m interested in the views of others.

TDS, delete all posts.

[Tacoma Ute]

I’d say as long as people respect the categorical boundaries and keep it relatively civil it’s all good.

[SkinyUte]

I typically enjoy the political discussions, as there are people here with many different viewpoints and it’s interesting to hear them (when it stays civil).

I’d think twice about adding a specific NSFW category though, as having that sort of content could get the site perma-banned entirely from many workplaces (including mine). Besides, it’s not like you can’t find that anywhere else on the intertubes. 🙂

[ladyinred]

Agreed about the political discussions, it’s nice to hear different perspectives.

I’m not a prude and so NSFW stuff doesn’t bother me, it’s the resulting circle jerk effect that is offputting. Thoughts ladyute? Any other girls here?

I think it’s generally always appropriate to s**t talk tds, but I suppose there could be a separate category for that.

On a side note, would it be possible to include a ”preview post” function?

[Tony (admin)]

What about guests who are not logged in?  Hide politics?

[Milton Vanderslice]

I don’t think we should hide what we are or what we become.

[5DollarShake]

To me it’s more about encouraging and fostering a positive discussion.

[ladyinred]

I am kind of meh on that – I don’t think it’s necessary to make invisible to guests but others may feel differently.

[5DollarShake]

Emphasis on this being a sports first message board is a great idea. Sports bring us together here. Utehub should celebrate that.

[AZswayze]

This board, and any Utah sports message board, would be slow as hell, and effectively die during each offseason. I really don’t understand this attempt by a certain faction of posters to prevent others from posting about things that they are not interested in. Uncheck the category and move on with your life.

[5DollarShake]

1. If a post is at all about politics it should be in the politics category. Divisive topics should be isolated if reducing infighting is a priority.

2. Moderator permissions should be strictly limited to allow for people to express themselves, and very clear rules must be outlined. Perhaps a temporary threadjacking ban should be instituted. I’m amazed at how a few individuals manage to make any political content about BYU and religion, or any combination of those topics, and IMHO it’s pretty obnoxious.

3. Having to police a NSFW category would potentially suck for a moderator, and there are potential legal issues, you especially have to be careful that children are not exploited (which is a sad commentary on humanity). However, I can understand why reading about poster’s exploits in Nevada brothels isn’t something that reflects well on the fanbase, may alienate some of the readership, and which some among us may not want on the home page along with political infighting, religious bashing, and inexplicable fascination with irrelevant mid-major institutions.

4. You’re doing a good job Tony, I appreciate your taking people’s suggestions under consideration.

[Utah]

Can you show me one thread where politics have been discussed that has turned into a BYU/religion bash? I’m curious to know. Maybe I just don’t see it. 

What seems to happen, is the ones that cry loudest about not wanting something are the ones that are the culprits and have no self control when it comes to these topics. 

I’d suggest you just know your limitations and uncheck categories. 

[5DollarShake]

LOL. Well, there’s this one:

Some quotes about Mormons from the 1800’s

[Utah]

So, a thread about how the treatment of muslims is very similar to the way mormons were initially treated…

Try again buddy. 

Also, and let’s hold hands as we walk down the aisle of history here. Here is your quote from above: 

I’m amazed at how a few individuals manage to make any political content about BYU and religion

So, when a political event happens, that is mainly around a certain religion, and there are parallels between the said religion and MY religion, and I pull quotes from a newspaper that is owned by the LDS Church and THEY DREW THE PARALLELS…

Nevermind. You obviously can’t handle this.

[5DollarShake]

Wow, I must have touched a nerve. BTW, I put you on ignore because you’re exactly the kind of poster it isn’t worth engaging with here. I figured it was the “Christian thing to do” (I noticed you like to apply that phrase when discussing politics) since your religion (which you strangely seem to love discussing the sketchiest parts of and morally equating to radical Islam which has me fearing Mormons) and your politics are apparently inseparable. Buh-bye.

[AZswayze]

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[ironman1315]

So long as NDFW content is behind a link and requires an extra click away from the site there shouldn’t be a problem.

[Anonymous]

Just put it in a link is all I am saying.  You don’t want any image regardless if you think it is ok, popping up on someone elses computer.  

[KiYi-Ute]

As far as hiding things from guests/potential members, I could go either way. But I think that it might not be the worst thing to have everything out in the open so that people understand the community they are joining. The fact that conversation topics have their own individual forums is great; if people don’t want to read about politics, they don’t have to go to the politics forum.

Which leads me to my next thought: Moderators are probably a good idea in the interest of keeping everything in the proper sub-forum. I think as the community grows, there is definitely the increased likelihood of something being posted in the wrong place, or in the extreme case, a thread that grows so toxic that it’s best that it gets closed (this is not something that should be done lightly, as an open discussion should be encouraged here).

Just my two cents.

And yes, Tony, you have done a great job with this site, I am very grateful for the time and work that you have put in. Thank you.

[5DollarShake]

I think we need to ask if making an extra step to get to contentious or salacious topics and not having them on the homepage where anyone might get upset or be harmed seeing them and make a bad decision in escalating hostility or discontinuing use of the site is something that is wanted or will be useful to the casual user of Utehub?

[quagmire]

I’d have to agree with not hiding anything. I never understood why cb hides forums from non members. It rubs me the wrong way like the way our politicians and “leaders” are always having closed door meetings. 

[Riot West]

What happened to FFU?

[Utah]

I don’t think he felt too comfortable here. From what he sent me, it seems like he probably recieved some nasty board mails (I’d guess from our more Christian posters) and decided this wasn’t the place for him. 

I hope he comes back. None of us are perfect, we all have good and bad, and we all make this place better 

[Riot West]

Oh. Cry babies.

[5DollarShake]

Is this a threadjack of the thread about stopping threadjacking? That’s meta.

[Riot West]

[Tony (admin)]

For the 2nd time FFU asked that I delete his account. I talked him out of it the first time and he was active. This time I just let it go.

[Anonymous]

The ironic part is you allow us to delete our own accounts. 

[Riot West]

I don’t understand the “delete my account” crap. Just f**king leave and don’t come back. It’s not hard to do. I’ve ghosted everything from FARK to girls I’ve dated to bars and lunch places.

[Anonymous]

Because it doesn’t make a statement. Getting the last word is what matters. 

[Anonymous]

I posted that I was without question a better fisherman and I could catch his 23 year old trainee with one cast. He silently turned and headed for the door.

[UTman]

Good or bad, if FFU has truly left the site I believe 90% of your concerns have been solved.

[AZswayze]

Did he say he was leaving or something?

[SkinyUte]

Told me last night he was leaving. Didn’t feel he was welcome here or somesuch, I’m not really sure what happened.

Tried convincing him to ignore the politics and stick around for the Ute sports talk, but apparently I wasn’t persuasive enough.

[AZswayze]

FFU, if you’re reading this, come back man.

[Tacoma Ute]

Yes please FFU! We love ya!

[Newbomb Turk]

Yes, come back. We need more posters like you, not less.

[Riot West]

[Tacoma Ute]

I think some discretion would be appropriate when posting certain things. I wouldn’t want the ladies to feel like they walked into a high school boys locker room.

[mokus]

As it is your site is already on my workplace’s watch list.  Every time I visit I have to acknowledge this site is being logged.  Which is probably not a big deal since you aren’t selling viagra or offering me sexy girls in my local area. 

I personally don’t mind NSFW material, but my workplace would.  I would appreciate the separation you mentioned having only Utah related material for outsiders, and even then having NSFW material in its own section, or content to be hidden behind NSFW marked links.  

Maybe we should mark it NotSafeForZoobs?

[bopahull]

That’s not a bad idea Tony, think of the revenue opportunities with viagra and girls offering. That would fit nicely in a NSFW area.

[Daedalus]

It’s more work on your part (or someone you subcontract in India 😀 ) but one of the better ways I’ve seen for NSFW content is just to have it hidden behind some css that shows “Do you really want to see it?” and a button.  Ideally it’d then load via AJAX so the original page load doesn’t trigger work firewalls, but eh, if your company has a strict firewall you probably shouldn’t be browsing message boards on company time.

*posted at work but I’m in IT and on a lunch break.

[RedRocks]

In my opinion, everything that is not University of Utah related should be hidden by default and only visible to those who opt in.  This is the best approach because it pleases the largest number of people and prevents UteHub from being high-jacked into a political board or a byu bashing board.  Anything marked NSFW (even Utah related) should be hidden the same way, by default.  Those of us who want to participate in these other categories can opt in (instead of the current opt out method).

Diversity of discussion types is good, but I prefer to opt in to those I want instead of needing to opt out. This also prevents people feeling unwelcome because of the content thrown in their faces. I personally don’t get offended easily, but man, others sure seem to…

Also, if a newcomer visits the site and sees that all the posts are politics and boobs, they may be scared away: we don’t want this.

I feel like this is the best way to appeal to the masses and cater to the few.

Just my opinion on the matter.

[Tacoma Ute]

The good news–this is starting to feel more like UFN.
The bad news–this is starting to feel more like UFN.

😉

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