I don’t like Aaron Rodgers

[ProudUte]

I hope he never wins another game.  He is a crybaby and a liar.  He is an amazing athlete and a future hall-of-famer – I just don’t like him.  He seems to think that the world revolves around him.

[CB]

I love Aaron Rodgers more now

[Utesbyfive]

Why is this vaccine post in politics? And why am I seeing politics?

Does this mean that the vaccine is more politically driven than health driven?

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[UteBacker]

Check out the upvotes and downvotes… if that doesn’t tell you that the subject is political I don’t know what does.

[Ute Dub]

I think he’ll win another game or two. Cynacism is what we do best in this country so I understand your disdain toward someone who has a different opinion than your own. 

[pedro]

This is an interesting subject.  We have, in essence, had a piece of our freedom taken by these vaccine mandates (note I’m not arguing whether it was the right thing to do or not, that is not my point).  Whenever freedom is taken, regardless of why, there are those who will revolt in their own way.  IOW’s typically honest folks (as Aaron may or may not be) become dishonest due to their dealing with this lost freedom and the lack of desire to comply.  

IMHO, the old addage of you can attract more bee’s with honey than you can with vinegar applies here.  If they truly want everyone to be vaccinated, mandates are not the way to go.   Just that term alone makes me want to rebel and I’ve been vaccinated.   I think you are going to find more and more famous people and politician getting caught in lies about getting it.  Aaron is just one of the first.

[UteBacker]

Thanks, Pedro.  Nailed it.

[Roy Rangum]

The freedom to swing your fist, ends where my nose begins.

This is a pandemic of an infectious virus that has killed over 700,000 Americans. While I love the fact that America grants us the freedom to do a lot of dumb stuff, when your actions directly impact others, those types of actions tend to get regulated (and rightly so).

While I don’t like the idea of a true federal mandate (which hasn’t happened), I am more than fine with businesses and institutions deciding they require vaccination to maintain employment and so forth. Right now, what’s been proposed is essentially a testing mandate, with an exemption granted to vaccinated individuals.

I am ever grateful for the freedoms I have as a US citizen, but the “health freedom” crowd frightens me, as I don’t think they understand what freedom actually means.

[Roy Rangum]

Oh yeah, and to bring it full circle: I agree, I don’t like Aaron Rodgers either. I still believe if Alex Smith and him had traded draft positions, Rodgers would have been out of the league in a few years, and Alex Smith could have done things even more incredible than he already did.

[pedro]

You make many valid points, but I would only ask this, where do you draw the line?  Drugs and alcohol killed approximately 160 k in the US last year.  About half as what COVID did, but still…..  that is 160,000 people who will not be coming home tonight.  You can say their actions did not personally affect you.  But that is a misnomer.  Billions of dollars are spent due to these deaths.  Most of which you pay for.  

That may seem a bit of hyperbole, but i pose it simply for us to think outside the lines.  I’m ok with people and companies doing what they feel is best.  But I often wonder if any of us actually stop to consider what IS best. 

For example I wonder, retrospectively, if we hadn’t been better off just exposing everyone early last year to the damn thing.  No doubt many would have died, but the original strain seemed much less dangerous than the current ones.  Herd Immunity would have surely been obtained by now.  But that’s 20/20.  

[Roy Rangum]

Pedro – Both alcohol and drugs are already regulated, heavily (lots of people in jail for drugs and dui’s). What do you mean by “where do you draw the line”? If you want to treat the societal risks of drugs and alcohol the same as COVID, that to me is an argument that should favor heavier federal regulation of COVID using punitive measures, not less.

And to your question of who is thinking about the big picture: it’s called public health, and there are thousands of people who have dedicated their lives to studying and answering exactly those types of questions. Because of those people, we have an answer: vaccines by far and away are the best path towards preserving life (and the economy), and had we full on tried for natural herd immunity, 100s of thousands more would have died, hospitals would have been overwhelmed, etc.

That said – I apologize that I have been lured into a political debate on a Utah fan page. (Even though this is the political section.) While I have strong feelings about COVID and vaccination, I’m here because I love the Utes, and I’ll try to do better to just focus on that.

[Central Coast Ute]

You’re good Roy, we’ve all been pulled into a political discussion one time or another.

[FromtheUteRez]

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding “civic duty”.

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