I need somewhere where I can post this, I can’t take the insanity anymore

[AlohaUte]

Has anyone who thinks Musk did a Nazi salute actually watched what he said or did or are you just reacting to the still picture?

Look, Musk irritates me and I was never-Trumper who decided to very apprehensively vote for him 2 days before the election and am still full of major skepticism. When the pictures and outrage around Musk came out I was aghast. But instead of responding with outrage, I went and watched the clip of what he did.

After watching it, the only conclusion I can come to is that those who are calling Musk a Nazi over it and calling it a Nazi salute haven’t actually watched the video or listened to what he was saying. He literally was filled with joy and expressing his love to the audience, grabs the area of his heart and rips out “the love” and throws it to the people. That’s it, that’s what he did. Did the action look similar to the Nazi salute, yep. But many other public officials including Kamala, Obama, and Hillary have done the same gesture in a single frame picture.

I swear I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. There’s a lot to criticize Trump and Musk about, a ton even, but this isn’t one of them. For the love of all that is holy please don’t react and get irrational and call people Nazi’s until you review the context of something for yourself and think through it.

[TortillaUte]

Since you ask I’ll give my opinion. Perception is reality. Whether he meant it as a Nazi salute or not the only thing that matters is what people believe. I watched the speech and when he did that I was like uh oh because of how aggressive it was. I personally don’t think he’s that way but when it comes to anything close to Nazism people should have awareness. He’s two moments that people could question. I would have a change of opinion if more occur. Looks like a duck walks like a duck must be a duck. I mean seriously how is someone better or worse because of skin color. It’s such an odd concept. Hopefully people like this are not Ute fans and wear blue. Go Utes!

[AlohaUte]

I disagree. I get what you are saying, but in this case it wasn’t walk like duck is a duck. That’s ridiculous. And perception is not reality. There is no “my” truth or relative reality.

[TortillaUte]

What I said was if he continues to have moments where he “accidentally” uses a Nazi symbol then at that point I would change my perception of him and he would be a duck. Read the whole comment not what you just want to read to start a fight. But I guess you’re allowed to perceive things as you want.

[RoboUte]

If I blew both of my hands off I’d still be able to count the number of times I’ve accidentally nazi saluted on my fingers. Anyone here who has ever accidentally heiled Hitler while at a podium please reply to this comment and tell me about the experience, I’ve got to hear about that knee slapper.

Edit: wtf no replies? It’s weird that nobody has any stories about accidentally nazi saluting while public speaking. It’s just one of those things that happens, you know? You lose focus for only a moment and it’s like Oops! I’m heilin’ again! Just slips right out there!

[ORute]

I lol’d to this

[RoboUte]

>And perception is not reality. There is no “my” truth or relative reality.

“if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth.”

I wish so badly that you were right.

[Central Coast Ute]

Because people accept a lie does not mean it becomes truth. Truth is truth regardless of what people believe or what history books say. His point still stands.

[RoboUte]

If you’re worshiping at the altar of reality then you should be outcome focused. If in reality something happened, but that information was lost, and instead something else was said to have occurred, then reality (or at least the behavior of the people in it) will proceed along as if the lie were true.

I wish his point were functionally valid because I wish the truth always won. But in the reality that we prize so greatly, it doesn’t, and never has. I can stomp my feet and fold my arms about it all I want or I can accept that truth that perception matters, unfortunately, often more than the truth. Yes, the truth is the truth, but that’s of little comfort when you have reality to worry about.

[RoboUte]

“But many other public officials including Kamala, Obama, and Hillary have done the same gesture in a single frame picture.”

Good point, let’s not rely on a single frame then

Check it out

The only thing missing is the flags. He either did it on purpose or as a joke, both are near equally pathetic. You have to take a step back at some point and ask yourself, “What am I defending, and why?” And not rhetorically, the answers to these questions are very important. It’s ok to have standards like: “We don’t want cabinet members doing nazi impressions at the president’s inauguration in front of 1 billion people. That would be bad”. Even though that’s a very high bar to set I think it’s more than fair, we expect a lot of these folks. For any that were hurt by musk’s actions, my heart goes out to you. Because that’s what this means now, apparently.

[Utopia]

Here are several more side-by-side full-gesture comparisons:

Musk previous heart-to-audience gesture

Hitler’s sieg heil

Kamala’s gesture (a still shot of this has been used to equate to Musk’s gesture)

Musk re-tweeted an edited photo of Taylor Swift supposedly doing the same gesture

Musk is a juvenile edgelord and gets his jollies from trolling and provoking. He knew exactly what he was doing.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
— Jean-Paul Sartre

Do I think Musk is an actual Nazi? Probably not. I don’t think he’s actually that ideologically serious. I think he’s primarily an ego- and megalo-maniacal opportunist who is pandering to and fueling that political/ideological demographic in order to destabilize and upend the forces that are obstructive to him obtaining power.

[RoboUte]

The only logical conclusion here is that Hitler was saying he’s just bursting with love, right? I mean if you look at the still frames you can catch almost anyone ordering up concentration camps. SMH mainstream media turnin our frogs gay

[Utopia]

So much irony in the comments about gaslighting. Either the apologists aren’t paying attention to or are in denial about all his other behavior that this “gesture” should be considered in context of. He is actively promoting Germany’s far-right AfD party, supports ethno-nationalist and criminal Tommy Robinson, and he doesn’t think Nigel Farage is far-right enough to lead the UK’s Reform party for f**k’s sake. His tweeting is a cesspool of far-right propaganda. None of this is “media gaslighting”; it’s a consistent pattern of his own words/actions.

[RoboUte]

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

[ABC123]

Cope harder.

What are your thoughts on George Soros and klaus Schwab?

Soros admitted on 60 minutes to helping the nazis as a Jew. He is living in America and has influenced our politics. He’s near death, so his son is taking the reins. Fun fact, George Soros wife graduated from the U. Any criticism?

What about the child of a nazi, Schwab? His WEF policies trying to institute global communism, where you will own nothing and be happy. He brags about how they have infiltrated governments to force his bulls**t ideas. Any criticism? Or are you attacking an autistic person stimming? Party of love eh.

Maybe look in the mirror and ask yourself, during Covid, did I support anti-mask and vaccine individuals being sent to a camp to save others? Have their kids taken from them?

Sounds a little like history huh? Maybe the true nazi is staring back at you in the mirror.

[RoboUte]

>What are your thoughts on George Soros and klaus Schwab?

None at all, never even heard of the 2nd guy.

>Soros admitted on 60 minutes to helping the nazis as a Jew

I googled that and it seems everything with credibility disagrees, but if he’s a nazi or nazi apologist then I feel about him the way I feel about all the others. Lol. It’s really that simple. If this soros guy stands up at a podium and starts heiling Hitler it’s kind of a foregone conclusion that I’d think he was nazi, because there’s no other conclusion for anyone with more that two brain cells to rub together.

>George Soros wife graduated from the U. Any criticism?

Is it bad that she graduated from the U??? lol?

It’s funny that you thought you had something here. I just don’t like Nazis.

[ABC123]

Don’t hate yourself then, Nazi

[RoboUte]

You tried tho

[Red Son]

Man, this has to be one of the dumbest posts on here including the original. What the f**k does George Soros having ties with Nazis have anything to do with Elon Musk 100% unquestionably making the Sieg Heil salute? If it makes you feel better, f**k Soros and his wife if they are Nazis. Your post is “what about this guy?” Blah blah blah. Shut the f**k up. Instead of coming up with any sort of argument against Musk’s deplorable actions (and there are none) you say George Soros? So, I can deduce from your lack of comment about Musk that you believed he was actually doing the Seig Heil. Go f**k yourself and your selfish ass.

[Andrew]

ooof…… This guy watches way too much Fox News and OAN. I love a good George Soros/global elite/adrenochrome/Hollywood pedo conspiracy as much as the next guy, but let’s look at how corporate interest is actively influencing politics… on both sides. Don’t need to go searching for a needle in a haystack with that one. News media whether it be the right or left is just stirring the pot to keep democrats mad at republicans and vise versa. Trump doesn’t care about the interests of the average American and neither does the establishment left. Wealth inequality will continue to grow under Trump. Our politicians should be public servants who are isolated from corruption. Until we get rid of lobbying and enact stricter term limits nothing substantial will change.

[Virginia Ute]

Spot on. He knew what he was doing.

[Virginia Ute]

Spot on. He knew what he was doing.

[ABC123]

Losers grasping at straws trying to make sense of their humiliating defeat, just like a zoob.

None of you actually believe your “mah nazi” hyperbole. It’s sad to see so many brainwashed by media.

[SkinyUte]

“brainwashed by media”

You do know we can read the exact words that Elon posts from his personal account on the platform that he owns, right? There’s no media filter involved in that exercise whatsoever.

[The Miami Ute]

Bellamy salute

I’m a huge history buff so I’m quite familiar with this, but I wonder how many people on this website knew about it.

[Central Coast Ute]

I did not know about the Bellamy salute. Thank you for educating me.

[The Miami Ute]

Given the 20th Century’s history, it’s shocking to a lot of Americans that, before WWII, this is how people would pledge allegiance.

[RoboUte]

Musk was simply recalling his younger days in American grade school, of course.

[The Miami Ute]

Actually he was channeling Julius Caesar saluting his troops just before the invasion of Gaul.

[RoboUte]

No doubt. I’ll never forget the day myself

[UteBacker]

Definition of gaslighting: a manipulation tactic that involves making someone question their reality. It’s a form of emotional abuse that can be used in intimate relationships and politics.

Some news sources have mastered this technique.

[AlohaUte]

And Reddit

[Tony (admin)]

Richest man in the world. Built Paypal. Built video games. Builds electric cars, rockets, tunnels, robots, and is researching how to implement literal bionic and robotic parts connected to a human brain so people without limbs can have limbs. Built a submarine to try and rescue those people in that cave…. This dude is a closet Nazi, just waiting for the “right time” to come out of the closet. Uh, yeah. Meanwhile around the globe people are chanting death to Israel and so forth… but they’re not Nazi’s. Makes sense.

[TortillaUte]

They’ve been defined as other terms like terrorists. But they are all equally as bad. Anyone with hate towards or a desire to cause harm to someone because they are different need…. Whataboutism will also bring down humanity.

[AlohaUte]

Who does Musk have hate towards?

[TortillaUte]

My comment had nothing to do with Musk. So???? Just like 1984 has nothing to do with the Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl or PAC championships. Your interpretation of what I think of him at this time is a bit off. The best part is I’m commenting from my Starlink service.

[RoboUte]

I don’t think he was talking about musk but you should read his twitter more if that’s a genuine question

[TortillaUte]

I’ll give Musk the benefit of the doubt at the moment because. Nothing I believe in is ever concrete because I keep an open mind. My biggest concern with him and the President or our previous administration is what they say and how they say it. Sometimes things are concrete with followers and they can’t read between the lines. They are the ones I fear. Those that don’t fully understand the rhetoric and act on it. If bad things happen because of what is said or the actions of leaders then I will blame them. Firing up the uneducated to do your dirty work would not be acceptable.

[PhillyUte]

The fact that you think him being the richest man in the world makes him somehow above criticism is hilarious. Remember when he called one of the British divers a “pedo guy.” Elon is nothing more than corporate filth that has infected our government.

[DanielLaRussoUte]

I also like that someone who “builds” cars and rockets (which he absolutely does not do) can’t have secret Nazi links. Everyone please take time to look up the history of your favorite German car manufacturers as well as Operation Paperclip.

Now that said, Elon’s probably not a Nazi. But he’s certainly on the authoritarian scale…which I assume most CEOs are.

[Utopia]

You don’t need to go to German car manufacturers, Henry Ford was an outspoken anti-Semite who was honored by the Nazis.

[UteThunder]

If people would actually look into the stories the media tells about Trump and his allies, they would realize just how much the media lies to us.

[UteBacker]

More and more people are figuring this out, Thunder.

[AlohaUte]

Hence why he won reelection

[TortillaUte]

Anyone that uses media for their information can be manipulated from the right and left. It’s their job to promote their agenda and they twist what people say. There is no truth coming from any media because it’s not their job. To know who and what people are just listen to their words, how they say it and watch their actions. That will tell you what someone is really trying to do.

[AlohaUte]

I find Ground.news and Semafor to be refreshingly balanced. Check them out.

Also the most balanced and fair voice in political media I’ve found to be Michael Smerconish. He’s got a great radio show that sits on Sirius XM and maybe elsewhere.

[Ute-yankee]

Guys, I didn’t think when I joined Utehub that it would be a bastion of free though, insightful dialog and nuanced political opinion. I love this forum. Thanks for building it, Tony.

[TortillaUte]

We all bleed red and that’s what’s important. Go Utes!!

[RoboUte]

It’s pretty good until someone brings up mormonism. Which probably shouldn’t be discussed on the board much

[AlohaUte]

Then why did you bring it up?

[RoboUte]

Bring what up?

[SkinyUte]

Well, all the literal Nazis thought he did a Nazi salute, so…

Dude was raised in apartheid, and watching his constant “help, help…white people are being oppressed” posts on his own platform over the years certainly makes one wonder if he still has some sympathies there.

Do I think he’s a full blown white supremecist? I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he was. Ultimately, I think Elon only cares about getting attention and getting even richer. He’s succeeding wildly in both areas (since he just purchased the US government), so mission accomplished I suppose.

[Central Coast Ute]

I don’t know. Someone who’s only worried about making more money wouldn’t be over paying for twitter and going against the woke narrative. He lost a ton of money on the whole deal and continues to do so as left leaning companies won’t advertise on X. If he wanted more money, he would have kept with Silicon Valley.

When Biden was president, he held a forum for all electric car manufacturers, but guess who was not invited? That’s right, Elon Musk. If his sole purpose was to infiltrate the government why would he gamble on Trump winning a second time after losing? It seems like a bad bet for someone hell bent on money and power. Why not just toe the party line that’s in office and for whom you’ve been a part of most of your life anyway? That would have been quickest and surest way to influence government.

[SkinyUte]

Anything he may have lost on Twitter is pennies compared to what he now stands to make from the government. Which is why he did what he did, imo.

If DOGE goes as I expect, any government function that might be able to turn a profit will be farmed out to him and his corporate friends to do exactly that. He can simply pick and choose what pieces he wants to remove from anyone he doesn’t like and hand to those he does. He’s not elected and has zero accountability, so who’s gonna stop him? Any function that doesn’t potentially profit and just provides a service to citizens will simply be removed. If you happened to need those services as a citizen (however inefficient they may have been)? Sucks for you. Now pay up for them at whatever price Elon and his friends decide or you’re out of luck.

Elon’s goal is to extract every penny of wealth imaginable and transfer it upwards. Sure, there will be a select few who benefit from that, but I expect that we will see the income equality gap continue to widen exponentially. The billionaires will become trillionaires while everyone else picks at the crumbs they deign to leave. Where that ultimately leads us remains to be seen.

I do find it fully how everyone so staunchly opposed to anything the government does are perfectly fine bending right over for the billionaire class. Elon is everything the right claims George Soros to be, amplified by 1,000.

[Utopia]

Elon Musk admits he only bought Twitter because he thought he’d be forced to.

He made a flippant offer that he wanted to back out of, but ended up trapping himself in a legal bind that he realized he would lose. He then decided to turn Twitter into a propaganda platform for his political agenda.

When Biden was president, he held a forum for all electric car manufacturers, but guess who was not invited? That’s right, Elon Musk. If his sole purpose was to infiltrate the government why would he gamble on Trump winning a second time after losing?

Contradictory sentences. If Biden snubbed him, how was he going to be influential in Biden’s government?

Musk leveraged massive subsidies under Democrats to develop his businesses. Now that those businesses are mature, he’s moving on to deregulation – a Republican position. He reached a ceiling with how much Democratic policy could benefit him, so being the opportunist that he is, he has shifted to leveraging right-wing economic ideology. He would never be able to achieve in a Democrat government the level of direct influence in shaping policy like he now has under the no-guardrails Trump government. He wants to be an uninhibited oligarch, plain and simple.

[Red Son]

“When Biden was president, he held a forum for all electric car manufacturers, but guess who was not invited? That’s right, Elon Musk”

A non-union company wasn’t invited to a pro-union summit. That is weird.

[TheNuschler]

^^^^^

Comes down to perception. Personally, I don’t think he’s a Nazi but the outcome of what I’d call a poorly chosen gesture at the wrong place in time definitely elicited emotion from people on the left and far right. I’m your typical run-of-the-mill American who tends to hate government, both its bloated ineffectiveness and increasing privacy infringements. Still, the guy seems to have quickly consolidated vast power economically and politically. This is potentially a big problem that could escalate quickly. If he does harbor some fascist sentiment (I do believe he does to a degree), buyer beware. Many things I agree with him on, HB1 visas for talent, big on engineering investment for students, and choosing the best available talent for critical jobs. America needs a full-scale reinvestment in education and innovation because we stand to lose standing in that critical piece we have excelled in for over a century.

He just needs to stop openly walking, talking, and acting like a Duck on his platform and in public. Get some wins with DOGE (if even possible) and talk about that.

[NorthernUte]

Much like college football, I am trying my hardest to stay away from politics and overthinking them. I love our freedoms in America, but unfortunately they make it easy for people to be and remain divided. Not going to warrant Musks actions, however to be quite frank I don’t care as much as maybe I should about things like this that blow up in the media. Trump has said and done some ill advised and quite frankly, terrible things, but Biden pardoned his pedophilia filled family amongst many other terrible things. For good or bad, I try to vote for who will keep me alive. Selfish, I know, but if I’m sitting here telling myself that Kamala Harris is better suited to take us into a war(which is inevitable, at some point based on literally every shred of evidence in history) then I am fooling myself. Don’t like Donald, don’t like Kamala, do love life. **** the media because it separates everyone worse then is necessary.

[Utopia]

I don’t like Biden and don’t support his pardons, but I always eyeroll when people insist on making vague accusations of liberals being pedophiles conveniently without acknowledging that Trump spent years hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, is on the Epstein flight logs, has had Epstein victims accuse him of engaging in sex with minors (aka rape), and appointed the judge that gave Epstein his sweetheart deal his Secretary of Labor (Alexander Acosta). Then there are Trump’s many extremely creepy sexual comments about Ivanka. And how about nominating sex trafficker Matt Gaetz for attorney general — someone so vile that not even the MAGA-captured GOP would back his nomination. There is sooo much denialism and projection when right-wingers make accusations of pedophilia.

[GameForAnyFuss]

Yay, a political post. Our journey towards becoming utefans.net is nearly complete!

[Brettski]

Well that blew up. TDS is a hell of a drug. They are going to get a major fix for the next 4 years.

[SkinyUte]

“TDS is a hell of a drug. They are going to get a major fix for the next 4 years.”

This one is always hilarious to me.

– Trump: Says or does something stupid.
– Most people: “Wow, that was really stupid”
– MAGA: “TDS! TDS! YOU HAVE TDS! TDS!!!!”

I would think it’s must be exhausting to have to twist yourselves into knots to defend whatever nonsense he spouts. Have fun with that, I guess.

[jshame17]

Elon is full throated Nazi. Full stop.

Saying my heart goes out to you while holding his heart, AFTER 2 full heil-Hitler salutes, doesn’t mean a damn thing.

Oh, then he followed it up with this: he’s a nazi and those defending him need a good long hard look in the mirror. You’re spitting on over 400K soldiers that died to remove that POS from this earth. Anti-American trash…

Also, we’re supposed to buy the logic that he’s both the smartest man in the world, who has given dozens of speeches, but now he didn’t k own what he’s doing because he’s “autistic” as in implying he’s “retarded or mentally challenged” or something? That’s gross and puts negative light on the autistic community they do not need.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1882406209187409976

[AdamDudeAmi]

It’s just a smokescreen for the billionaires to take all of our rights away while making the public distrust each other. They are moving generations of wealth away from the masses and centering themselves on the lust of power and control.

[DataUte]

You ask if people have watched the video (I have) and then say others have made the same sign in still pictures. Have you watched those videos (I have). They are not making the same sign. Going from your chest and pumping out with the flat hand at an upward angle (Musk did, others did not) is the roman salute, a tribute to fascism, that Nazi’s adopted.

Musk is on the spectrum (they changed Asbergers to now be on the autism spectrum). It probably makes him who he is (different/brilliant? But quirky at the same time).

He did it twice and had to know the symbolism and even if he was throwing out his heart, he had to know how it would look. He intentionally provokes. At the same time, he has been an ally to Israel and I wouldn’t think he’s a Nazi or fall under those principles, but he has switched from Democrat to Republican to MAGA as he sees that he can be an oligarch, in an even weirder way than Russia, where Puton at least has the oligarchs stay out of the way of his politics.

[jshame17]

Also, have you ever considered that he “supports” Israel because it’s an Apartheid State and he agrees with “cleansing” Gaza on white supremacy principles.

Classic enemy of my enemy, is my friend.
oh look, Musk doing mote Nazi stuff and speaking to the actual nazi resurgence party…

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