Notre Dame halts in-person classes 8 days into semester

[Tony (admin)]

146 students get the rona.  Looking like the Pac-12 is making the right choice regarding football. 

[Utesbyfive]

How many of them had it before the first day of school? Let’s wait a week and see if they post an update on numbers of Notre Dame students infected. (Hint, they won’t.)

[PhiladelphiaUte]

If they halted classes, how would they know how many got it?  Are they sticking around campus and self reporting to the administration office?

[Utesbyfive]

If they were serious about following the epidemiology, they’d ask all students to self-report.

[PlainsUte]

Well, its weird that for transmission purposes on campus they might be justified in asking about COVID status, but if they’re not coming to campus for class its asking them to divulge personal health info.

[EagleMountainUte]

Oh no!!!

Well with all of these positive cases the mortality rate might be 99.7888889%

[Utesbyfive]

BTW, with 12,600 students, that’s 1% of their student body. 

[SkinyUte]

We are all aware that death is not the only negative outcome of COVID-19, right? There’s a growing body of research that indicates risk of significant long-term neurological, respiratory, cardiac and other issues among those that survive.

But I’m sure that none of that will be of any concern to college-aged kids, given how affordable health care is in the US. Toughen up and get back to class, ya big babies!

[Utesbyfive]

Yeah, what’s your point? Life cannot stop because of this. We have to get back to work. The government can’t continue to print money to keep us isolated. We are all just going to have to accept whatever risks are associated. We have no choice.

[SkinyUte]

There are degrees of effort between “shut everything down forever” and “ignore it and hope for the best”. 

It seems like Notre Dame (and other schools) are making an effort to mitigate risk and find that middle ground here by transitioning to virtual learning, which you seem to have a problem with.

[Trailgoat]

Growing body of research on long term affects from the Corona virus being actively present with any measurable subjects for on the high side five months, c’mon man!

It baffles me how the definitions of “science” and “research” have been manipulated by the medical industry experts (yes, health care is a business) over the past five months to validate some very loose, short term evaluations in the interest of fitting a particular narrative.  

All this conflicting, expert advice is coming from an industry responsible for up to 250,000 preventable deaths a year in America due to medical error. Don’t get me wrong, waaaay more good comes out of medical care delivery every day by amazing people. To lay down and believe everything your told because a physician or “expert” said so is naive, especially making gross claims about the long term affect of anything in a very short period of time.

Not attacking you, it’s just there is too much jump to conclusion going on based on very limited information. 

 

[SkinyUte]

Seems to me that cataloging observable persistent symptoms, drawing conclusions from that data, then adjusting those conclusions as additional data becomes available is exactly what we should be doing to learn more about the effects of a new virus (like this).  That’s kinda how science works.

I’d certainly rather err on that side than the “we don’t know for 100% sure, so let’s act as if everything is normal and hope nothing bad happens” side, which seems to be the prevailing opinion here.

 

[EagleMountainUte]

And by the end of November you won’t care. 

[SkinyUte]

You’re right.  It will be such a relief to let my dead uncle and my other family members who have spent weeks in the ICU for COVID-19 know that they can all just stop faking it to make Trump look bad.

[UtMtBiker]

This attitude is exactly why the United States can’t get our s**t together and be done with this thing and other countries are moving on and recovering. Thanks for canceling our football season.

[UtahPilot47]

Chance of dying from COVID in the USA if you are under 50: .002%

Play football!

 

 

[EagleMountainUte]

Bama fan SEC point of view.

[gcyrust]

Until universities like Utah let students back to attend all classes in person the discussion about the football season is ridiculous. My oldest daughter attends the Physical Therapy graduate program at Utah and my other daughter is a junior at the U. All of the PT classes are virtual except limited lab classes and all of my other daughters classes are virtual. How can we expect football to take place when we can’t even get students back in to class? Regardless of your opinion on COVID it’s crazy to even talk football until students are in the classroom.

[Stone]

The rona is going to rona, regardless of what we do. Shutting down society only pushes the infections into the future. The rona does not go away when we hide in our homes. 

Sweden somehow has come out on the other side. I wonder how many of their college students had rona? I wonder how many college age kids died? Answer, almost none.

Rona is not a greater risk to college kids than the seasonal flu. This is not rational behavior.

[Stone]

Here is the age breakdown of deaths in Sweden from rona

Sweden deaths by age

[EagleMountainUte]

Many people choose to ignore this simple fact. The goal wasn’t to save lives. The goal of all governments was to prevent the healthcare systems from being overwhelmed. Various countries had different strategies to do this.  Sweden doesn’t really compare to America though. 

American strategy is to keep pushing rona infection back. Eventually many will get it and be just fine. Many will die because they have preexisting health problems that put them at greater risk. 

Masks and social distancing just slow it down. Eventually you got to get it. 

[UrbanLiar]

I’m one of the current 30K trial vaccine recipients. They’re tracking me daily and drawing blood at specific intervals to measure antibodies both from the initial injection and a booster. By late October they’ll have enough data required to hopefully complete the Phase 3 approval. I’m optimistic we’ll see at least a plan for large scale vaccine distribution before the end of 2020. It’ll take time but I just want to provide people some hope so we can quit arguing so much.

[UtMtBiker]

You don’t have the information to make that claim. Nobody does. In fact, as more information and research is completed, it’s looking more like this has long lasting and potentially deadly long term effects on people of all ages and levels of health. You really don’t know that this isn’t more dangerous than the flu. Your comment is ignorant misinformation.

[Stone]

What long-term effects have been shown from covid? 

The claim that flu is more deadly to young people than covid is based on fact. Actual death rates from both.

Claiming that there are “long-lasting and potentially deadly long term effects on people of all ages and level of health” is PURE SPECULATION! Not based on facts (*unless you have a flux capacitator).

I presented facts. You presented speculation. THAT is ignorant misinformation.

[SkinyUte]

Lung scarring and heart damage seems to be the immediate and severe concerns right now.  

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/07/08/from-lung-scarring-to-heart-damage-covid-19-may-leave-lingering-marks/

[Utesbyfive]

Myocarditis is a possible complication from ANY virus. There literally is no hard evidence that it’s more prevalent among COVID sufferers. There’s more hysterical press coverage over this than there is data. This is all overreaction pure and simple because of mindless media-driven hysteria.

[SkinyUte]

My guess is that you’ll shrug off any finding that connects COVID-19 with other issues as “that’s just a risk of being alive”, but here’s another one a little closer to home.  This time linking COVID with heart disease.

[ABC123]

We’re all being lied to and controlled.

[EagleMountainUte]

I’d hate to think that half of everyone that has COVID-19 is going to end up with some myocardial damage,” said Knowlton. “In the long run, we don’t know, a year from now, what that will look like, whether they will perfectly recover or not.”

 

Most and I mean that more than 90% of the people who went to the hospital have pre-existing conditions. Many of them related to heart disease. 

[ABC123]

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