So the country has 75,000 coal miners and 650,000 thousand employed in Solar et

[PorterRockwell]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=43659435&nid=157&title=trump-tosses-obamas-clean-energy-plan-embraces-coal

and The Donald rescinds orders to save jobs for an energy source that market forces and not politics are destroying?  well played Donald.  hey at least your trying to keep that campaign promise to the people craxzy enough to work in the coal mines

[UtahFanSir]

And the GOP wants to overturn mine safety regs that went into effect as a result of two major mine disasters in recent years and overturn regs on dumping tailings that would pollute streams. Those miners may have a job but will die doing it. All the while, coal is not particularly competitive back East. 

[PorterRockwell]

while you may have these things called FACTS on your side Trump has campaign promises to keep and your facts won’t get in the way of his “aternative facts”.

[Utah]

Republicans, like Koppel said, have prioritized rhetoric over facts. I wonder how long their people will blindly follow them.

Here is a great article on what needs to happen to the Republicans:

The Republican Waterloo

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or—more exactly—with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

I’ve been on a soapbox for months now about the harm that our overheated talk is doing to us. Yes it mobilizes supporters—but by mobilizing them with hysterical accusations and pseudo-information, overheated talk has made it impossible for representatives to represent and elected leaders to lead. The real leaders are on TV and radio, and they have very different imperatives from people in government. Talk radio thrives on confrontation and recrimination. When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say—but what is equally true—is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed—if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office—Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

Until Republicans realize that Rush, Hannity, Brietbart, Jones, etc are only out there to make money, and they are falling right into their little plan, the party will continue to swing into crazy region.

Republicans are needed, as are democrats. They balance each other out. Crazy, religious, conspiracy believing nut jobs? They are not needed at all, from either side.

[Utah]

Another great quote from that article:

Whatever else the 2016 election has done, it has emancipated Republicans from one of their own worst self-inflicted blind spots. Health care may not be a human right, but the lack of universal health coverage in a wealthy democracy is a severe, unjustifiable, and unnecessary human wrong. As Americans lift this worry from their fellow citizens, they’ll discover that they have addressed some other important problems too. They’ll find that they have removed one of the most important barriers to entrepreneurship, because people with bright ideas will fear less to quit the jobs through which they get their health care. They’ll find they have improved the troubled lives of the white working class succumbing at earlier ages from preventable deaths of despair. They’ll find that they have equalized the life chances of Americans of different races. They’ll find that they have discouraged workplace discrimination against women, older Americans, the disabled, and other employees with higher expected health-care costs. They’ll find that their people become less alienated from a country that has overcome at last one of the least attractive manifestations of American exceptionalism—and joined the rest of the civilized world in ameliorating and alleviating our common human vulnerability to illness and pain.

Time for the right to wake up and lead.

[UtahFanSir]

To be factual, since that is the point, Ted Koppel said to Sean Hannity something like, and I paraphrase, “…you prioritize idealogy over facts.” Not to quibble, but the idealogy is rhethoric, I agree.

To use in sentence: Paul Ryan, who proved he is nothing but a stuffed shirt, was all ideology articulated as rhetoric when push came to shove.

DO YOUR JOB!!!!!! Is what I shout now. Just earn that pay check, benefits, etc. Just earn it.

[Utah]

Here is the quote:

“You have attracted people who are determined that ideology is more important than facts.”

Now, Hannity is whining that this is “Fake News”. What is fake about that? Are people on the right that dumb to believe this? 

What is fake about that? Hasn’t Trump proven this is true? Hasn’t Hannity proven this is true? Pizzagate? Hillary killing people? Trump won the popular vote? Trump had more people at his inaguration address? Healthcare? Obama wiretapping Trump?

There is only one side that continually screams about Fake News and only one side that continually reports literally fake news. 

It’s the right. 

How about you guys shut up and actually do something? 

 

p.s. Not a shot at you UtahFanSir…I just got off on a tangent and rant.

 

[UtahFanSir]

“How about you guys shut up and actually do something? “

Better to blame Democrats who were NEVER consulted or invited to the closed door table. Better to blame Democrats who went to Trump earlier and said, they were willing to work on a bipartisan bill or modifications to the ACA.

Better to spin it. Its the Demoncrats.

Meanwhile a civil war is underway within the GOP. Meanwhile, the Donald “Buck Doesn’t Stop Here” Trump will save us from ourselves. Thank God.

[PlainsUte]

Coal electric generation is being killed by natural gas fired plants, and its not competitive any more.    Trump policies might change the economics of mining a bit, but the net effect could be to just increase stockpiles of coal. Meanwhile, those same policies are likely to also keep nat gas cheap in this country – its like pushing a rope.   The idea plays well enough in West Virginia to get votes, that’s about it.

[PorterRockwell]

well don’t tell Trump and herbert that.  You’ll confuse them

[gUrthBrooks]

Orrin Porter Rockwell loved renewable energy and it’s a well know fact that he hated and despised coal miners. 

[PorterRockwell]

Preach on Hammer Presch on!

[PlainsUte]

I thought Rockwell and the people of Coal County, Utah declared blood atonement on the California tree huggers for blocking their coal port

[Puget Ute]

Easy, don’t give them any ideas!

[PorterRockwell]

Governor Herbert and his cronies are not the boss of me besides my Colt Peacemakers only hold six rounds each. If I were deliver Justice to them tree Huggers I would need a fancier weapon that holds more rounds.

I’m not selling enough wine beer and spirits since the Brethren stopped imbibing to get one of those. Oh the times we had when we could drink a beer smoke a good cigar and talk about the crops and the women folk. I taught each of my wives to show just enough ankle to rile a man up. I tell ya those were the days

[Utahute72]

The problem is that most of those renewable energy jobs are the direct result of government funding, not actual market driven economics.

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