So, when Harding goes to coach in the NFL after this year,

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- 07/27/2018 at 11:50 AM #61760
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  Utah
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  Do we hire the recently fired Grimes as OL coach? Beahahahahahahahahahaha!
- 07/27/2018 at 11:52 AM #61762
  
  KiYi-Ute
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  - 07/27/2018 at 12:01 PM #61763
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    gUrthBrooks
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    “Grimey”, as he likes to be called.
    - 07/27/2018 at 12:06 PM #61764
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      gUrthBrooks
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      https://youtu.be/BkS8jgTYfZg
    - 07/27/2018 at 12:07 PM #61765
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      Chidojuan
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      “I’m peeing on the seat!”
- 07/27/2018 at 12:42 PM #61770
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  UteThunder
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  Where do people get this idea that Harding is such an amazing OL coach? I just don’t get it.
  - 07/27/2018 at 2:18 PM #61774
    
    UteThunder
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    I see thumbs down, but no actual argument for the high praise he receives from Ute fans.
    
    He has been with the program for 4 years and we gave up the most sacks in a season(38) last year that we have allowed since joining the Pac-12. We also had the lowest per game rushing average(164) we’ve had since 2013.
    
    Now, I’m sure that can’t all be placed at his feet. We did have some fresh faces on the OL last year and it was a new offense with a sophomore QB. But if he was the amazing “future NFL coach” or “best college OL coach” he is touted to be by some, then I would think that his 4th year with the program wouldn’t have results like that. Wouldn’t an amazing OL coach get more out of his OL than that?
    
    I’m not saying he is a bad coach, but I would like to see some objective proof that shows he is an amazing coach if people are going to tout him as such.
  - 07/27/2018 at 3:19 PM #61775
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    First, the last two years, he’s put, what, six OL into the NFL? That’s pretty damn great. Barton is a NFL guy as well. Lo Falemaka was all PAC-12 last year (honorable mention).
    
    He was such a bad OL coach that the Bengals had interest in him earlier this year.
    
    Capra, Paola, Toala and Ford have NFL potential as well.
    
    Harding is a great OL coach. Look at the OL from game 1 to game 12.
    
    Games 1-5, versus North Dakota, BYU, SJSU, Arizona and Stanford we averaged 160 yards/game.
    
    Versus WVU, Colorado, Washington, WSU and UCLA we averaged 191 rushing yards/game. That’s a HUGE improvement against drastically better competition.
    - 07/27/2018 at 3:56 PM #61780
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      UteThunder
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      Nice try, but those arguments aren’t really valid/objective.
      
      In the first 5 games you listed, we had 195 rushing attempts. In the last 5 games you listed, we had 236 rushing attempts. With 41 more total rushing attempts, I would expect our per game average to improve, but the yards per carry were roughly the same. The per carry average was 4.1 in the first 5 games and went down to 4.04 in the last 5 games. Our per carry average against the Washington schools was just 1.7 (WSU) and 2.6 (UW).
      
      It’s hard to give him credit for guys making it to the NFL when the guys making it likely would have made it regardless of their OL coach. Do you really think Bolles is in the NFL because of Harding’s coaching? If we want to give him kudos for being a great OL recruiter, I’ll give him that(assuming he recruited the guys that are making it into the NFL).
      
      And being interviewed by the Bengals doesn’t necessarily mean they were interested in him. Businesses (including the NFL) interview people all the time they have no interest in hiring. And even if they were interested in him, that isn’t an objective measure of him being a good OL coach. Was Ty Detmer a good OC in 2015 because a D1 school hired him to be their OC?
      - 07/27/2018 at 4:14 PM #61782
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        ironman1315
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        Since Utah joined the Pac-12 we have bumped our rushing average up by a whole yard per carry. Harding has been part of that upswing since 2014 (13 is where the trend started). I think he is a solid coach. I am not certain he is a great coach.
        
        07/27/2018 at 6:02 PM #61790
        
        UteThunder
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        “Solid but not sure if he is great.”
        
        That is a fair assessment that I can agree with.
        
        As for the bump in ypc, maybe Harding is responsible for some of that or maybe it is just that we went from MWC talent/depth to Pac-12 talent/depth during that time period, or maybe it is both.
- 07/27/2018 at 10:59 PM #61802
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  noneyadb
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  2017 Pac-12 Football – Quarterback Sacked Percentage
  
  1. Stanford, 4.49%
  2. OSU, 5.07%
  3. UCLA, 5.14%
  4. USC, 5.76%
  5. Washington, 5.88%
  6. WSU, 5.94%
  7. Arizona, 6.33%
  8. Cal, 6.47%
  9. Oregon, 7.79%
  10. Utah, 8.14%
  11. Colorado, 8.89%
  12. ASU, 8.97%
  
  — SuperWest Sports (@SuperWestSports) July 28, 2018
  
  With that stat line he’ll need one hell of a season from his o-line to be an NFL Coach next year.
  - 07/28/2018 at 8:03 AM #61803
    
    ironman1315
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    How much of that is on Huntley for trying to do too much.
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