This guy has a good take on education funding. I agree with him

[Anonymous]

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4872851-155/letter-those-who-burden-the-system

[Red Don]

‘This guy has a good take on education funding. I agree with him”

 

I do too. However, I was one of the identified “commies” on the other site so what do I know? 😊

[Anonymous]

That’s the ironic part. The conservatives want their kids to have a “free” public education as long as they can deduct all their kids   I have no problem funding my fair share of educating kids but when people have more than two kids in school that should be where the deduction stops.  If you can afford to have more than two kids then pay to educate them.  Don’t expect single or childless couples to foot the bill.  

The ONLY reason the hill is discussing this is because their is ballot initiative is being proposed and they are Afraid the people might pass it and they would lose some of their precious control 

[Utah]

No way that ever passes. In a state run by a religion that is hemorraging members, whose main source of growth is through members having large families, no way they tax those people and discourage them from keeping the base of the Church strong. 

Now, let me say that I have a small family. We don’t use public schools. BUT, I’m okay paying twice for my children to help educate the masses. BUT, that doesn’t mean that those who don’t pay their share should be rewarded for having more kids in the system. 

Maybe you keep the tax credit, but a three or four kid limit. At some point (4, maybe 5+ kids) you need to pay for your choices and shouldn’t rely on everyone else to fund your family. Especially when you see the fact that it is poorer people who are having more kids (MORE reason to make sure that everyone is educated…the more educated you are, the more you are able to take care of yourself, and usually, the smaller family you have). 

I say keep the child credit for a lot reasons. One, when you have a family, you are usually poorer due to the expense of your family. You pay that back when you get older and your taxes increase when your kids move out. BUT, there should be a limit. Maybe you get up to two or three credits per family max.

God said to multiply and replenish. Three kids accomplishes that goal. 

[Anonymous]

Polls indicate the ballot initiative has a 75% chance of the voters passing it.  Hence the reason our overlords are looking at the dreaded head tax   Our overlords don’t want the Tex raise so they are being pressured to find ways to fund education without cutting other services.  Least painful way is the head tax 

[Utahute72]

So a lot of the education burden is because of illegal immigrant and other low income families, are you proposing to tax them at a higher rate also?  The problem with education is we have a paradigm that was put in place a couple hundred years ago.  People don’t learn that way anymore.  We need novel approaches to educating the populace.  If there is one plus in the Trump administration it seems like they are willing to look at some of those, the problem, in my view, they don’t look far enough outside the box.  We need a fundamental change in the process.

[Utah]

Do you have a link on how illegal immigrantion is burdening the education system in Utah? I’ve never really heard that before. 

Also, low income families have the most kids. That is a problem. Society should not be held financially responsible for other’s poor decisions, no matter what god is telling them to have more kids. There should be some financial restraints for having kids when you can’t afford to. 

I don’t know what the answer is. Every suggestion would be very insulting to a lot of people. I don’t know if you limit pregnancy coverage from medicaid to two births, I don’t know how you fix this problem. 

Planned Parenthood and their free contraceptions is a great idea. Forcing insurances to cover contraceptives is a great idea. 

Freakonomics people say that making abortions legal has lowered crime and poverty more than anything we’ve ever done. 

Like I said, options will always p**s someone off, but something needs to be done. 

Maybe making churches pay for all the pregnancies they are encouraging would be a start. I don’t know. 

[Anonymous]

Define a lot.  Link? Stats?  Are you talking nationally or just here in Utah? 

Utah has large families and has since the state was settled.  Utahns generally have larger than the national average family size so doesn’t it stand to reason that those whom use the system help pay for it? 

I knew you would go off on the immigrant tangent which in the case of Utah I doubt is as significant as you would like us to believe 

[Utah]

Yeah, I don’t buy the immigrant line either. The simple fact is our taxes are spent in the wrong areas and our kids have their own kids too early, too often and usually before they are financially able to take care of them. 

[Anonymous]

Exactly 

[Utahute72]

States like California and Texas have a huge burden on ALL social services due to large immigration populations. And generally the statement supports your contention that much of the issue stems from the lower income levels have most of the children. So it’s unclear how attempting to tax the lower economic levels of society is a real solution to the problem.

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