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[Tony (admin)]

We start the football season, then 20 players from ours or any team come down with the covid? SOL I guess? Not sure how any of that is going to be handled. I’m sure they’re discussing all these scenarios now. 

[dystopiamembrane]

Perhaps, the NCAA would allow use of local high school players.

[Stone]

IMO, the players are young and healthy, they are not really at much risk. So the game should go on if they are able/want to play.

Not saying that this will be the way it is handled, but it is the way I would suggest it be handled. Remember, the WHOLE point of the shutdown, social isolation, etc. was to keep from overhwhelming hospitals – not because there was some idea that we could somehow end the virus. Hospitals are NOT overwhelmed. We need more healthy people with antibodies, not fewer. The more healthy people with antibodies (hence, no longer contagious), the sooner we can get back to normal.

[salty-ute]

Crazy to me that people have just forgotten about that. Everyone was pushing the “flatten the curve” message. Curve has been flattened and hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed (with few exceptions). They put all of these restrictions in place, now there’s no talk of normal life until vaccines are around.

[noneyadb]

Hospitals are NOT overwhelmed because of social distancing and efforts currently in place. Now you’re talking about athletes, students, staff, fans, tailgaters, travelers, hotels, restaurants, bars, public transportation, bathrooms and concessions being overwhelmed… Good luck trying to control that outbreak from one game, especially an Alabama USC on 9/5, Georgia Bama 9/19, LSU Texas 9/12..

[Stone]

If social distancing is the reason the hospitals have not been overwhelmed, then why aren’t hospitals in “open” states overwhelmed? Why haven’t the recent protests led to full waiting rooms? The false narrative worked when everyone was lockstep, but that period has now passed. Look around. States are open. Lots of european countries are open (and schools are even in session). Hospitals are STILL not overwhelmed. 

[EagleMountainUte]

If only we could measure how many people died because they put off a diagnosis.
I know we can measure how many democratic controlled cities put COVID patients in Nursing homes. That is really easy to measure and track. 

[noneyadb]

What states are fully open, having concerts and stadiums with 100k people?

[Stone]

Have you seen the protests?

[SkinyUte]

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Except that it’s not yet proven that this is the case.  People can absolutely get re-infected after recovering.

[Utesby1]

Are jyou sure Willis?

[UtesRock]

Yes makes sense, but politics, moms, more politics… no season. Question, how do we pay the staff?

[EagleMountainUte]

They are non essential much the same as others in America have been deemed.  They should have a rainy 4 to undetermined time fund. That’s just poor planning on their part. 

[noneyadb]

Fauci blew up the possability of a season this morning with fears of second wave in fall and winter months.

[EagleMountainUte]

Protest at the stadium. Problem solved.  

[Central Coast Ute]

Correction, riot at the stadium. Same thing I guess.

[EagleMountainUte]

Mostly peaceful protest/summer of love not riot duh. 

[Central Coast Ute]

You’re right. My bad.

[PlainsUte]

What if there is a hurricane, what if 4 basketball players have the flu, etc?  They’ve handled issues like this before.  Either reschedule or straight-up cancel the game.   Also testing should be done 24 hours in advance and numerical thresholds set before the season, so that cancelations can occur in an orderly fashion, not like at the Thunder-Jazz game where decision was made literally a minute before the tip off.  A problem could be that they’ll have to allow 2 weeks for players to recover and that could mean cancelling multiple games.

[Gary Sapp]

Look at the current infection rates of Florida, Georgia, Texas and Arizona. Several of them are climbing so alarmingly, they are getting ready to go back to being closed.

Opening is fine, but if you don’t keep up the mask use and social distancing, you will have thrown any gains away and be right back where you started.

[Stone]

Infections spreading is not necessarily a bad thing. Let’s get herd immunity and be done with it.

To return to normalcy, there are two options:

(1) herd immunity

(2) vaccine

There is no guarantee a vaccine will come anytime soon, if ever. And if you are in the camp that thinks we should wait for a vaccine, you should be against any type of re-opening because all we are doing by slowly opening up is slowly getting herd immunity. Slowing the spread does not end the spread. So, unless hospitals are getting overwhelmed, let’s just get the herd immunity over with and get the herd immunity. Instead of condemning elderly and vulnerable to a life of seclusion indefintely while we slowly develop herd immunity, let’s get through this quickly and be done.

For those that argue (as above) that the getting the virus and developing antibodies does not prevent a re-infection. I would say that we then do not have any hope for a vaccine because the whole premise of a vaccine is infecting someone with a weak virus and developing antibodies.

[GameForAnyFuss]

The problem is, it will take far longer to achieve herd immunity through population infection than through a vaccine.

Sweden (where everything stayed open) recently did a random population sampling and found that less than 4% of their population has had COVID since the outbreak began. That’s a far cry from the ~80% needed to achieve herd immunity.

Most statistical modeling I’ve seen shows that it would take the U.S. around 4.5 years to achieve herd immunity through community spread, and we would likely see around 2 million deaths (unless an effective treatment is found). That’s a big cost and a long time to wait. I’m 99% sure we’ll have a vaccine within 4.5 years.

[SkinyUte]

Herd immunity is only possible if a) there is a vaccine or b) people who get it once can’t get re-infected.

 

Neither of those things is the case right now.

[EagleMountainUte]

Studies in Singapore say otherwise about antibodies.  I know who ever makes the vaccine will make billions on billions.  Hard to trust anything right now. Especially in an industry so corrupt. 

[SkinyUte]

Link on the Singapore studies?  Not doubting, just interested to see the research.

There was a study released yesterday that said COVID-19 antibodies can fade away in 2-3 months.  That would essentially negate herd immunity without a vaccine.  It had a really small sample size though, so I don’t put much stock into it. 

[EagleMountainUte]

Nah you look them up. Singapore is behind many antibody tests right now. Also Sweden will be interesting. That is the nation I will watch. They will offer the most interesting take on herd immunity. Very homogenous country and they didn’t really shut down. Everything Dr Fauci says is f**king lie and he has a monetary interest in keeping the fear going.  

John Hopkins estimates that 250k people die per year due to medical mistakes. For a comparison cops have killed 5k since 2015. Health industry is full of some of the most highly trained people and still kills more than cops. 

[WelcomeToSackLakeCity]

I think this may be what EagleMountainUte is referring to:

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-scientists-5-antibodies-covid19-human-trials-12844014

The research looks promising, but I don’t think it refutes what SkinyUte said. The researchers found neutralizing antibodies that may be effective treatments for all COVID types in humans, but clinical trials have not been completed yet. Also, this doesn’t address how long recovered COVID patient’s antibodies stay in their system, nor if they can get reinfected. Perhaps EagleMountainUte is referring to another piece of research, but it’s hard to know when they can’t be bothered to link the article.

[EagleMountainUte]

I like how he can cite something as fact with no links I respond with maybe not the case suddenly I need sources. 
Skinyute is regurgitating China and WHO funded crap. 
Everyone has google I am well aware of what Fauci, China and WHO is pushing. They want to market their own cure for money. They also still have no idea on who will be asymptomatic. Numbers as high as 30% low as 10%. 
Fact of the matter is this follow the money. Pneumonia and Flu deaths were still very common in America despite a quarantine of healthy people. The quarantine is what needs to be examined more closely and the ill treatment of people in nursing homes in New York and Michigan specifically. Hospitals were laying off people for f**ks sake and not even protecting technicians. 

[WelcomeToSackLakeCity]

The research in SkinyUte’s article was published in Nature Medicine, a prestigious peer-reviewed journal. It doesn’t matter where funding comes from, as the only thing the reviewers care about is the quality of the science done in the project. They also acknowledge that the sample size is small and needs to be studied on a larger population, so I don’t understand why you think it’s just a bunch of “crap” research.

Also, I don’t understand why you’re being so defensive about the request for the link to the research you were referring to. Nobody said you were wrong, as we were just curious about what the Singapore research was so we could learn more.

[SkinyUte]

Jesus dude, relax. I was simply asking if you knew where the study you mentioned was so I could read it.

I’ll bow out and just leave you to your anger.

[Charlie]

College needs to be open to those that chose to continue their education. Colleges should be staffed with those that feel they can safely work. Athletics should be available to those that chose to participate. No one should be forced to give up their education or job and no one should be forced into college or their job. It does make sense to have measures to improve safety for those that chose to go to school and work so as to balance continuing those things but as safe as is practical.

Athletics should be an option for those that chose to participate or chose to work jobs that support them. Their exist a great number of unknowns but we should allow those that want to continue to do so. The bigger question for me is the fan experience. It is not likely many will chose to sit next to a stranger for hours. Much less sitting next to a stranger that is yelling. Some may find a way to be comfortable getting thru lines and sitting outside with a mask, gloves, stocking hat, and jacket. It seems odd to insist they can not chose to do so.

I expect that we will try to return to a new normal that includes all our previous activities adjusted to be as safe as is practical. Adjustments to that will be made if that is proven to be unworkable and hospitals are overwhelmed. Sports events will see fewer crowds because fewer seats will be offered and fewer will chose to show up. Outdoor sports will attempt to find the answers before moving on to indoor sports.

[dystopiamembrane]

I like you, Charlie.

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