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Union’s have been under assault for decades and union membership has declined drastically across all industries/services. Auto unions were blamed for driving up the cost of cars and declining quality because it protected bad workers. Teachers’ unions have been blamed for the rising cost of education and the poor test results in our schools. So many jurisdictions are defunding public education and seeking charter/private school options. Those are just a few examples, but there are many more.

Why is it that Police unions have mostly avoided a similar fate? Why can’t their union’s be blamed for rising costs and poor outcomes like every other industry/service union? If a city finds that efforts to change/negotiate with the police force aren’t working, why can’t they end the contract and make a new one with the county sheriff department under the terms they do want? While it is very rare, it did happen in Camden New Jersey back in 2013. My guess is that it will happen more often now given how many communities seem unhappy with their police departments.   

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Where did I say teachers’ unions don’t have any teeth? I said they are under attack and get blamed for poor results in education, which you confirmed by immediately attacking teachers’ unions and blaming them for bad school districts in CA. 

And you may want to look into Lt. Bob Kroll’s (the Minneapolis Police Union president) statements and letter to his members before you say zero police officers have defended Derek what’s his face. 

So if breaking up the power of unions has had good results in all sectors from manufacturing, education, and government why is it that police are the one exception to the rule? What makes police unions apple to those oranges? Why are they so special that they must remain as the last standing union? There are lots of dangerous poor paying s**tty jobs out there that still get filled without a union rep.  

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Who did I call ignorant? 

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Yup, most starting salaries suck. That is still more than some college graduates like teachers who don’t even crack $20 hr in any state. The average US household income is only $62k, and your cop buddies are close to that on one income.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the median high school graduate earns $37,062, The median for those with some college but no degree is $40,248. The median salary for the police was $65,107 and as I mentioned includes a pension which is very rare for most careers even with a 4 yr degree. Plus the police academy pays future cops to attend, so zero student debt. That sounds like a pretty good alternative for someone who doesn’t want to do the college path yet wants to make college graduate money. Even when compared to something like a teacher that requires a bachelor’s degree and only pays $59,420 or a firefighter that also requires academy training and earns only a median $50,850. 

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Where are you hearing that law enforcement doesn’t pay well? From what I’ve seen in articles about the skyrocketing cost of public employee pension programs it actually pays very well. I struggle to think of another job that allows an individual with only a high school diploma to earn a 60K+ pension after only 20 years of service. 

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If a BYU fan really wanted to screw with our recruiting they would just need to screen grab that post and put it on twitter. The minute anyone tries to say you can’t judge a whole fan base on one bad apple point out it was most popular post on a PUBLIC Ute community board. That will do wonders for our image.

 

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You’re afraid your going to be demonized? On this board? If the highest vote-getting comment on the night is a response telling people upset by the N-word to “grow the F up” and lamenting how you can’t say anything without offending people. I think you’re safe from the UteHub mob.

My views don’t have to project anything either, the 15 thumbs up to that post do a pretty good job all on their own. I do find it odd that as someone who disagrees with the use of the word your upset with my post asking our fans to just listen to our black athletes. 

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Pretty sure I just said we should listen to the black players and their families who are affected by this. I never used the words fired, banishment, or made any other suggestions on Morgan’s fate.

If you would like to start listening to the players perhaps take a look at this exchange between Karl Williams and Ryan Lacy on twitter. https://twitter.com/Karl_Da_Truth/status/1269109436674486275

Doesn’t seem like it was really handled back in 2013 and there is still a lot of pain there.

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Really? There are a number of post a short scroll down saying people need to get over it because it was 7 years ago or it was just the one time. Seems pretty obvious which “people” they think shouldn’t be offended by it.

For the record, according to Mo Lee and Ryan Lacy he used it with them and they were not happy about. Specifically from 2008 to 2013. Ryan Lacy said he called him out on it as a Senior in front of the team.

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According to Mo Lee and Ryan Lacy he used it with them. Specifically from 2008 to 2013 when Ryan Lacy as a Senior felt he could confront him on it.

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