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stboneParticipant
He doesn’t just have “it”, he is “it.” He is the kind of impressive that comes from being a person of integrity and honesty, which is not just impressive to the young men, but I am sure is very impressive to the parents.
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stboneParticipant
This is how every high-level offense used to be. Even for skill positions, it was very rare to see a newly drafted player in the 80’s and 90’s immediately transition to NFL success, rather, it usually took a couple of years for players to learn the system. (Also, it was fairly common for a new coach to not have their offense fully in place until their second year). Now, offenses have been dumbed down, and we are seeing top WRs and RBs that are fresh out of college. It is part of the NBA-ification of football.
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stboneParticipant
After last season, the consensus on this page was the Devaughn absolutely was not an NFL receiver. If it was just a distribution issue, I don’t believe that that would have been the case.
While distribution is certainly an issue, it is very rare to see a Utah receiver open in broken coverage or creating quick separation. This makes me thing that either our offense is completely vanilla, or that our receiver coaching is failing.
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stboneParticipant
What is most damning about WR coaching/offense is that we are putting WRs in the NFL, and they are usually better in the NFL (against better competition) than they were here. For example, Devaughn is a starting WR for the Broncos, beating out Troy Franklin. Yet, we couldn’t get him the ball at a level corresponding to his talent.
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stboneParticipant
So, effectively, there is no recourse, and there is no accountability. The lack of accountability is particularly surprising in the world of sports where accountability is king.
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stboneParticipant
I am fine with what Harlan did. (to me, being upset with what he said/did is a form of ton-policing that focuses on style over substance). There is absolutely no accountability for referees, and he did what he could. The fact that nobody else goes full-Harlan is part of what has brought us to this point.
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stboneParticipant
Grabbing any part of the helmet, including the chinstrap is a face masking penalty. A copy of the rule is below:
“No player shall grasp and then twist, turn or pull the face mask, chin strap or any helmet opening of an opponent. It is not a foul if the face mask, chin strap or helmet opening is not grasped and then twisted, turned or pulled. When in question, it is a foul.”
It is interesting to note the last sentence stating that if it is in question, then it is a foul. Under the plain reading of the rule, and how it the rule is actually enforced, this was 100% the right call. Nothing phantom about it.
Also, you can see the hand on the helmet as I described at about 12 seconds in the attached clip.
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stboneParticipant
Our DB’s missing pick 6s has now cost us two games (Houston being the other). We seem to be afraid to make big plays.
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stboneParticipant
To the facemask – there are only two people who know what happened, Rose and the DE. Based on the head movement, including after Rose was on the ground, something was grabbed. What I think happened is, in the replays you can see the DE’s hand contact Roses helmet near the earhole at about the jaw line. I suspect, based on Rose’s head movement, that the DE grabbed his chin strap. The only other possibility is that Rose has been training himself for years to replicate facemask-style head movements while being sacked.
To your bigger point, the difference between the facemask and the hold is, anytime any QB head moves like that during a tackle, a facemask will be called. On the flip side, the hold on Vaughn was the type that has rarely been called in the Big12 this year. This combined with the phantom holding call on King leaves a strong impression that the game was delivered to BYU. Of course Utah could have done more to not leave the game up to the refs, but that is a bit of weird victim blaming intentionally ignoring the fact that those two calls ended up deciding the game. Put another way, those calls were necessary for BYU to win, and BYU can’t win without those calls.
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