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Agree. Team first. Never got into being a fan of coaches or players. I find the KW fan hysteria interesting especially looking at KW’s win-loss record over time. Hard to let go of the 21/22 seasons. Easy to see why KW obsessed over Rising considering the two conference championships and Rose Bowl appearances in 21/22 seasons the pinnacle of KW’s success playing in the Rose Bowl. Interesting to look at KW compared to Ron McBride in conference games only below especially the last three years of coaching. I get there’s other factors in play. Excluded non-conference games.

KW: P12/B12 conf games only
P12 2011-2024: 66-56 (added in projected 1-8 record for 2024) two conference championships. 2011-2014 record (first 4 years in P12): 14-22 . MWC: 35-13 one MWC conference championship

McBride: WAC and 4 years in MWC conf games only
1990-2002: 63-41 (two conference championships)

KW last 3 years: zero bowl wins
13-14 (counting 1-8 this season) Sadly, doubtful Utah wins out from here.

McBride last 3 years: one bowl win
10-11 (fired year 3)

Both KW, 7-2 and McBride, 5-2 (won conference championships the year before their three year slide.)

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What credible OC in their right mind takes the OC job if KW decides to stay for his “day to day” retirement plan? Defense is a great selling point, everything else is nothing but red flags. College coaching is a tight group. Only takes a couple quick phone calls to find out the OC job at Utah under KW is a no win situation. Nothings going to change, it’s been this way for 20 years.

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Three of Utah’s 5 QBs end their season in hospital beds following a mid season trip to the OR.

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Solid post.
Yup. KW > Utah football. KW stays as long as he wants and does whatever he wants, win or lose. KW goes 0-12 next year he keeps on coaching. Let’s be honest, Utah football being bad is really not that important to the University as long as fans keep filling seats and boosters donate $.

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If we’re playing fortune teller based on KWs comments, then plan on Rising returning as Utahs QB next season if KW comes back for his redemption tour.

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Program is a mess right now. Agree on fan support. Attended the TCU game, place was packed and fans going crazy. MUSS looks bigger every time I get to a home game. The BYU game looked even more crazy from the couch with the camera shaking. I expect more of the same Saturday. Looking forward to Scalley to add a fresh approach to an already solid foundation he played a big role in building. KW’s done amazing work and it’s okay for him to start his new role as a consultant. I have to think KW is going to have a key role at the admin role if he wants it. Dude has national college football clout. KN now talks a lot more about the future in his pressers than he ever has. These guys are smart and guessing there’s a plan already in place we don’t know about. I am optimistic about the future once MS takes over.

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Utah had an overall losing conference record the first 8 years of playing in the P12. 2019 was the first year Utah got over the hump to an overall P12 winning record. Utah’s conference record the first 10 years in the P12 2011-2020 (counting covid year, 3-2) is 45-41. Makes sense KW dumped all his chips on Rising after the 2021 and 2022 P12 championship seasons. KW can blame it on injuries, NIL, etc. Bottom line is KW had two of his best seasons during the P12 and failed to build on that success heading to a 6-12 conference record over the past two years. KW could never overcome the limelight curse of getting his team to play as winners.

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Said it before. Leach was brilliant at making a complex system simple with plug and play WRs and QBs fitting his system. QBs we’re essentially the same skill set. His list of QBs he coached and QBs that went through the WSU system is impressive. Over the past 20 years under KW, Snoop-Erickson, Smith-Mcbride recruit, the QB position talent has been abysmal.

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I rationalize it as CR got paid out for the 21-22 seasons. The injury misinformation by Rising corp, local media, and KW is what is.

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First couple weeks after the season ends are going to be interesting to watch. Does KW hang it up or play through on the end of career rehab tour? Does MS stick around or jump ship to a stable, supported G5 head coach job. Who’s the new OC? Where is Harlan when the season ends? One constant in all the turmoil is fan support. TCU game was awesome and from the couch the BYU game looked electric. The foundation is in place for Utah to get back on track.

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