[UteHorn21]

Ya, at this point we’re at an impasse. No sense in continuing since it’s getting redundant at this point. I think what you describe illustrates how different the football culture is out west. Although my evidence is anecdotal, I’ve been to multiple PAC games, they don’t even have tailgating at Arizona St. Nothing wrong with it, just different ways to skin a cat I suppose. The difference is I don’t throw strays at western schools with things like “such a s**tty milquetoast conference. What a bunch of soft ass soy boys can’t even get loud at a football game.” Where instead of Utes fans just being like “ya, our situation isn’t ideal and we look forward to higher aspirations in the future. We’re grateful we found a home at the P5 level after spending 90 years in the minor leagues.” We get “such a s**tty backwoods conference. These teams suck so bad.”

[UteHorn21]

That makes sense. I’m in my 30s. In my lifetime Florida vs Miami has only happened 8 times.

[UteHorn21]

Outside of very recently, Florida has scheduled OOC like a putz other than the annual game vs the Seminoles. I would say FSU and Miami are also tied together. What I mean when I say that is, when you think of who their rivals are instantly you know for Utah it’s BYU. For Miami, it’s Florida St.

I find it odd some Utah fans try to act like it’s not a big rival. The crowd sounds different (louder) when playing BYU than they did against Arizona. What gives? Why the angst at calling the Cougars Utah’s biggest rival?

[UteHorn21]

I would love to hear your explanation on how Oregon (the absolute definition of new money) is more of a blueblood than a school with 5 national titles and a stretch of just under 40 years averaging 10 wins a season. I hate Nebraska, but that’s an incredible feat.

I’ve always gone by this chart.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/kyleumlang/viz/CollegeFootballBlueBloods/BlueBloods

[UteHorn21]

A lot to unpack here. One, Oklahoma St isn’t Texas roots. The two hardly ever played until the Big 12 was formed. Oregon State has had blips of success just as any program has small windows of success. I also remember that Fiesta Bowl against ND. There’s a reason the Beavers were left out, and it’s entirely the fault of their doing. Oklahoma St, while not a power, has had more success and definitely has a larger fan base. You can’t tell me it’s easier to get fans to Stillwater, Oklahoma than Corvallis, Oregon.

Great point about the research money. Hopefully for the betterment of our society and education as a whole, universities can create research coalitions with each other outside of sharing athletic conferences.

This one is a new one for me personally. I haven’t lived in Utah (Sandy) since 1995. And while there was always hatred between the Utes and BYU, some of y’all have gone full aggy and let the rivalry consume wayyyy too much of your lives. Dude, it’s just college football, chill out. The two schools are connected at the hip whether they like it or not. I was not one of the Texas fans that wanted the Lone Star Showdown to end. And just like I knew would happen when the game inevitably resumed that it would be the biggest most watched game of the year. The cheapest ticket right now is over $900 bucks last I checked. Rivalries are what make college football awesome. And despite Kevin Marr’s terrible call, the game was awesome as far as pageantry. Amazing uniform aesthetic, the crowd was very loud and hostile, everything you could want from a college football game aside from the bad officiating.

If you felt I was being snarky I apologize. I just held Utes fans to a higher standard I guess. Being dick heads to schools in America’s heartland by no fault of their own is lame and beneath Utah. If you actually took your disappointment glasses off and went to a night game in Lubbock, Ames, Manhattan, and especially Morgantown. You would have a great time and meet good folks.

Despite you probably not agreeing with me, ultimately I want what’s best for Utah athletics and for the Utes to play at the premier level of college football, which if you’re being genuine, we both know isn’t in Logan, Fresno, or Pullman. I somehow get the impression that you would have no problem not playing western teams if Utah was given an SEC invite?

Next season myself, and 5 of my friends from Texas are going to the Utah vs Texas Tech game since I’ve bragged about how fun games in SLC are. Hopefully that holds true.

[UteHorn21]

They also have a 1-11 season a few 2’s and a few 3’s. Outside of the Andrew Luck/McCaffrey years, not good.

Odd you reference seasons 10-14 years ago, then ask my age like I wasn’t alive for 90s/00s terrible Stanford. 1990-2009 Stanford was 107-121. Badddddd

[UteHorn21]

They played for a national title in the 80s, six Big East titles in the 2000s, multiple BCS wins. And a very raucous and passionate fan base.

Stanford 13 losing seasons since 2000.

[UteHorn21]

Baylor < Cal
Cincinnati < Boise St (barely) sustained success vs higher success
Kansas > Fresno St – KU getting a brand new stadium, better coach, bigger reach.
Kansas St >> Colorado St
Iowa St = Washington St – ISU has a large fan base, very supportive and passionate
Oklahoma St > Oregon St – Pokes have more fans, more success, more everything.
Houston = San Diego St – I see this as a dead heat.
TCU >> Utah St – not close
WVU > Stanford – Tree has the name, eers have more on field success.

Utah would have the biggest stadium in that conference by a healthy margin.

The Big 12 has a 2:30 CT time slot. The 9:15 CT kick def sucks.

Again, I’ll spin it back to you. You’re complaining about lack of brands and helmet schools in the Big 12, yet want to be aligned with Utah St and Fresno?

[UteHorn21]

I don’t dispute any of what you said whatsoever. Yes, having a home schedule with Baylor, Iowa St, and Kansas on it was not exciting. Everyone knows there is going to be another round of realignment and Utah will most likely be included.

Something y’all have to more honest about is, Utah had no where else to go. Sure you might like blondes, but spend enough time in a group full of dudes and that brunette is gonna look damn good.

Also, there’s a huge reason the PAC 12 failed. Bad TV time slots and weak football culture (outside of a handful).

[UteHorn21]

I don’t disagree. I’ll concede that the PAC 12 was better than the current Big 12. However, the Big 12 still has an auto bid and a path to the CFB Playoff.

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